Ark Encounter visits down, once again. (principle, gay, body, demons)

[gabfest]

Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801

I would like the success rate of conversions via message board posts.

Sometimes it's not about converting. As one poster stated, "It is about denying ____ a springboard".
If you can't beat 'em, nag the hell out of 'em!

[The Last Amalekite 1Sam15]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

As Christians, we believe that everything in this physical earth is temporary. Only the soul carries into eternity. It is far better to invest in something that can open a person up to the gospel, demonstrate the authenticity of the Bible and potentially bring them to salvation rather than seek to prolong physical life that will eventually die anyways. So obviously, #1 is best.

Originally Posted by The Last Amalekite 1Sam15

I would love to know the true numbers of your success rate on someone not believing/atheist to theist as apposed to someone who already believes and just looking for a new church.

Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801

I would like the success rate of conversions via message board posts.

You might be surprised.

That’s why most do this. For the lurkers who are on the fence.

Jeffbase most likely isn’t man enough to answer without lying for jesus.

[mensaguy]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

As Christians, we believe that everything in this physical earth is temporary. Only the soul carries into eternity. It is far better to invest in something that can open a person up to the gospel, demonstrate the authenticity of the Bible and potentially bring them to salvation rather than seek to prolong physical life that will eventually die anyways. So obviously, #1 is best.

What evidence do you have that non-Christians are going to the Ark Encounter and becoming converted? Common sense would indicate that, for the most part, non-believers would not even want to visit the place. Seeing a dinosaur in an exhibit with animals that didn't exist until 65 million years after the dinosaurs went extinct wouldn't attract many to come see it as the Truth.

Speaking strictly in this sense (that it is an investment to convert non-believers), it has to be one of the biggest wastes of money since the construction of the Tower of Babel.

[Shirina]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

As Christians, we believe that everything in this physical earth is temporary.

Which is precisely why secular morality is vastly superior to your own.

It is this very concept -- wasting your life anticipating the next life rather than trying to enjoy THIS one -- that allows such contemptible indifference to the plight of those who suffer. "Oh, it's just temporary ..."

It's a horrible, morally bankrupt, and indefensible position. Don't use a hundred million dollars to actually help people. Scr*w 'em, right? Let them die off. This life doesn't matter one iota. No, spend it instead on an ark full of lies.

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

It is far better to invest in something that can open a person up to the gospel, demonstrate the authenticity of the Bible and potentially bring them to salvation rather than seek to prolong physical life that will eventually die anyways. So obviously, #1 is best.

LOL! Authenticity of the Bible? Hahaha! Except it's not authentic. At all.

Besides, even if you were going to believe that ragtag book, why the HELL would you learn the Bible from a chronic liar like Ken Ham?

All that ark does is propagate science-denial, something we do NOT need in this age of high tech, science, and medical wonders -- none of which would be at all possible if we believed the nonsense in the Bible.

And besides even that, one does NOT have to take the Bible literally in order to be a Christian, find salvation, and enter the Kingdom of Heaven -- which means Ken Ham's so-called "Ark Encounter" is entirely superfluous to achieving redemption.

NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that one must believe the Bible is literal history. Even claiming that it is the (LOL again) Word of God does not mean that God related stories like Adam and Eve as historical truth. They STILL could be allegories, metaphors, morality plays, and even parodies.

Neither God or Jesus said that in order for your soul to "carry on into eternity" and enter Heaven you must believe every "jot and tittle" as being literal.

And THAT means that all of this effort in denying science is completely irrelevant to what's important about your religion. You said yourself that everything on this earth is temporary - so why does it matter to you so much that people believe we were created from a pile of dirt and a rib?

This Ark Encounter doesn't open one up to potential salvation. It only opens one up to potential ignorance, stupidity, and a lack of understanding about what is REAL rather than what is fantasy.

And by the way, I can't even describe the moral repugnancy of your bolded statement.

Do you have any conception of how monstrous such a belief actually is? "Why bother helping that person, they're going to die eventually anyway. And that gives me an excuse to be completely amoral, apathetic, and gee whiz, I get to keep more money for myself, besides. Yahoo!"

Yeah, Jeff ... and when the day comes when you're truly facing death, I'd LOVE to see just how "temporary" you think life is. I mean, why not take a nose dive off a bridge right now if life matters so little to you? Oh wait, let me guess. Your amoral compass is something you impose upon other people, right? But it doesn't apply to you at all.

I remember how much you used to rage on here about people calling you names or making posts about you instead of the topic. Well, if life is so temporary and doesn't matter neither a "jot or tittle," then why gripe about it? In fact, why post at all? Why do anything? Why not just sit in a chair and stare at the wall, dreaming of Heaven and waiting to die?

Uh uh. Something tells me you talk the talk but trying to walk the walk causes you to trip over your own two feet. Nice try.

Dasvidaniya!

[gabfest]

Originally Posted by mensaguy

What evidence do you have that non-Christians are going to the Ark Encounter and becoming converted? Common sense would indicate that, for the most part, non-believers would not even want to visit the place. Seeing a dinosaur in an exhibit with animals that didn't exist until 65 million years after the dinosaurs went extinct wouldn't attract many to come see it as the Truth.

Speaking strictly in this sense (that it is an investment to convert non-believers), it has to be one of the biggest wastes of money since the construction of the Tower of Babel.

The whole concept is irrelevant to most people and I doubt if the exhibit was ever supposed to convert anyone.


If people do not like how the Ark Encounter was funded they should lobby the powers that be.

[Shirina]

Originally Posted by mensaguy

What evidence do you have that non-Christians are going to the Ark Encounter and becoming converted? Common sense would indicate that, for the most part, non-believers would not even want to visit the place. Seeing a dinosaur in an exhibit with animals that didn't exist until 65 million years after the dinosaurs went extinct wouldn't attract many to come see it as the Truth.

Speaking strictly in this sense (that it is an investment to convert non-believers), it has to be one of the biggest wastes of money since the construction of the Tower of Babel.

Anyone with a brain knows that the ONLY reason why non-Christians go to the Ark Enounter is to laugh at it, film it, and put it up on YouTube to show the world just how crazy dumb the whole thing is. There must be dozens of Ark Encounter videos put up by atheists who are laughing at it one minute, crying over its mere existence the next. It should be called the "Lie Encounter" because you'll encounter a lot of those.

It's not even a museum in the true sense of the word. All it involves are a bunch of props and displays with animatronic animals and dinosaurs that move around slightly. It's more like an old Disneyworld ride and yet we don't call those rides "museums."

Are there any artifacts proving that magic exists and God used it to create humanity? LOL. Of course not. I doubt there's anything in that "museum" older than 2010 ... with, perhaps, the exception of some rocks and crystals showing how the Grand Canyon was carved out by Noah's Flood or some such nonsense.

[Shirina]

Originally Posted by gabfest

The whole concept is irrelevant to most people and I doubt if the exhibit was ever supposed to convert anyone.


If people do not like how the Ark Encounter was funded they should lobby the powers that be.

The powers that be are "in" on it these days.

[Shirina]

Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER

Then see where your interest lies and stop beating us up. We don't in fact have any problem with what you believe or not. Just stop telling us that we are some kind of idiots for taking a different view.

We are very much aware of Jesus' Mojo. You don't have to keep beating us with it and saying how we are never going to win. We know about the religious instinct, too. It doesn't lead atheists around by the nose and there is no reason why it should do so with anyone else. If they just think about it.

We are looking like doing so where it matters to you and to us in Europe. At least until recently. If the Right going to make a come -back, or was it a glitch and the US society that you seem to want - one that allows all religions to live, but none to dominate - will replace the one that gives Christianity more privilege than it should have.

Actually, I figured out why Goldie is so adamant about defending religion.

Remember that he works in the porn industry.

And which demographic group is the biggest consumers of porn?

Think about it.

[gabfest]

Originally Posted by Shirina

The powers that be are "in" on it these days.

That's why people who want change should lobby or run for political office.

[jeffbase40]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

I'm glad we can look forward to the end of the temporary sway that christianity has over so many people in this nation.

So you are looking forward to an epidemic of more suicide and people fighting? I'm not. Course that is assuming Christianity is going to die out, and you have no prove that notion is a certainty. If it does then people will most likely make technology their new god which will create an even more socially isolated generation.

You know what you didn't have back when we had blue laws and most people went to church? Kids mass murdering their classmates.