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And to think they did this with all those atheists holding them back.
Even then, a Rich and Powerful secret 8% atheist organisation was bribing those Christian scientists to lie about their findings, and only the incorruptible Catholic Church proclaimed the truth that sun went around the earth.
But the future is looking bright US education is Spreading the Word that the earth is 800 years old, the sun goes around it and 40% US people now know that it is flat.
I have heard enough deconversion stories, to know that the believers (if they even read much of the Bible) sucke up the stuff they likes and shrugged off anything that didn't sound so good. "That was men's bad deeds", "That was just metaphorical", that was the customs of the time" None of that was down to God. Anything good - God gets the credit for that.
How many doctors and scientists do you think read of the mobile star, demons causing Illness and an earth that is flat enough to see all the countries from a tall mountain and just shrugged it off but sat up happily at "thou shalt wash the crap off thy hands before picking up thy dinner" and knowing that only a God would have put advanced science -knowledge like that in His Book.
16th century.
Anythime soon.
The first hand-written English language Bible manuscripts were produced in the 1380's AD by John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor, scholar, and theologian.
That wasn’t my point...I’m just pointing out that they didn’t seem to be atheists...
keep in mind there are different types of atheists. There isn't "sects", formally, but we do have a difference in what motivates. the word sect fits enough to use it and move onto the important bits that separates atheists, like myself, from theists. kind of like the bohr model of the atom is woefully incomplete but is useful as a teaching tool.
His kind of atheist is driven by "anti-god", so anything he said is build off of anti-god. not all of us are driven by that. some atheist, actually a lot of atheist, by definition, will describe the universe in the best way we can without first having our statements conform to anti-god statements of belief.
anti-god types of atheist will always be out numbered by atheist that think we are part of a larger more complex system. They will be out numbered because the science data supporta "we are part of a larger more complex system". And personal vendetta against religion, while they do trip over some correct notions (more by accident than anything else), are just more immoral in the end and hurt far to many people. freedom for all religions is better. lmao, no matter what the fundy theist claim.
The trick is to spot who you are talking to. anti-religious socialist or fascist theists. call the cops at the site of either one.
Is anyone seeing the irony here that it was the Christians themselves that taught/teach the laws in Leviticus are not necessary since Christ?
As for "why didn't any doctors read Leviticus..." Of course they did, if they were reading the rest of the Bible. What a strange argument.
So in other words, doctors were just a bunch of fundamentalists who took religious doctrine literally and seriously. They had no ability to read anything with an open mind. Nice.
So in other words, doctors were just a bunch of fundamentalists who took religious doctrine literally and seriously. They had no ability to read anything with an open mind. Nice.
No. What on earth are you talking about? In the west, the majority of doctors were whatever form of Christianity was popular and non-heretical at any given time and place, just like the majority of anyone in any other profession in any time and place.
Scientists, once no longer killed for it by the leading religious faction at any time, investigated any and every avenue, even folklore and religion, as a potential source of either academic interest or potential solid science, and even today continue to.
That wasn’t my point...I’m just pointing out that they didn’t seem to be atheists...
That's true, but so what? Hardly anybody seems to have been (or admitted it) in those days. And after all 'Genesis' was the only explanation available in those days.
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The first hand-written English language Bible manuscripts were produced in the 1380's AD by John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor, scholar, and theologian.
No. What on earth are you talking about? In the west, the majority of doctors were whatever form of Christianity was popular and non-heretical at any given time and place, just like the majority of anyone in any other profession in any time and place.
Scientists, once no longer killed for it by the leading religious faction at any time, investigated any and every avenue, even folklore and religion, as a potential source of either academic interest or potential solid science, and even today continue to.
I can't tell whether you're kidding or not.
He's lashing out, sulkily because his atheist -stumper didn't work.
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Is anyone seeing the irony here that it was the Christians themselves that taught/teach the laws in Leviticus are not necessary since Christ?
As for "why didn't any doctors read Leviticus..." Of course they did, if they were reading the rest of the Bible. What a strange argument.
We do see the irony, but thanks for pointing it out.
He's lashing out, sulkily because his atheist -stumper didn't work.
We do see the irony, but thanks for pointing it out.
It's not about general atheism really. It's about extremists who think that there is no value whatsoever in religion. Which I think is completely ludicrous.
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US education is Spreading the Word that the earth is 800 years old, the sun goes around it and 40% US people now know that it is flat.
