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Old 11-11-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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I think that atheism is an unexplained psychological condition, just as you may think that about religious fundamentalism.
We treat your religious claims as you treat others. So we are the ones being consistent. Which suggests it is your beliefs that are a psychological condition.
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Old 11-11-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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Has anyone found any of the Levitical Laws invalid?
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Old 11-11-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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Any chance of you responding to others that answer your posts? Post #45 for example.
It's crazy for anyone to equate going to church with taking hard drugs like heroin. It's a stupid and insane analogy. There's my answer.

Is that the answer you were looking for? Because I had preferred to keep silent on my opinion of your question until you insisted I answer.
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Old 11-11-2018, 12:21 PM
 
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Has anyone found any of the Levitical Laws invalid?
Of course. Medically/scientifcally? There is no scientific validity in a huge number of Levitical laws. I never got cancer from forgetting to bring fruit to a priest or mixing my clothing fibers.
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Old 11-11-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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Of course. Medically/scientifcally? There is no scientific validity in a huge number of Levitical laws. I never got cancer from forgetting to bring fruit to a priest or mixing my clothing fibers.
Where does the text mention cancer?
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Old 11-11-2018, 12:38 PM
 
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Where does the text mention cancer?
I think you are reading the sentence too literally. Cancer is just a hyperbolic example for comic effect I think. Not a claim that cancer was literally in the text.

What the user is saying is that the OP appears to be cherry picking ritual that turn out in retrospect to have beneficial medical effects. While ignoring all the ones that do not. And he is saying that by pointing out that failing to stick to certain rituals has had no detrimental effect on his health.

The OP is trying to manufacture the idea that the Biblical text hides medical wisdom by simply cherry picking out a _tiny minority_ of rituals that coincidence with medical well being out of a large collection of those that do not.
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Old 11-11-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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I think that atheism is an unexplained psychological condition, just as you may think that about religious fundamentalism. So to hear an atheist say that one day everyone will be atheist sounds crazy. Primates, like giraffes or kittens, are not able to understand everything about the universe, and therefore it is impossible for religion to just disappear.
Foolish. You may as well say that the scientific method is a psychological condition and that it will never eradicate human superstition. It has already done so, and atheism is really just 'science' (so to speak) applied to the single matter of the God -question. Science has a lot more Mojo today than Jesus has, even to the extent that you have to try to find medical science in the Bible to try to validate it.

You may not be able to put aside your palpable back to front thinking based on Faith in Christianity (it is pretty clear) even though you know there is no valid reason to believe it, even if you can find a Church that teaches it (you already walked out of one) and in fact we don't see why you should.

We understand very well that you find inspiration, solace, or some kind of mental toss -off in Christianity and rummage through the Gospels (and even the OT if nothing else will serve) to try to find something that even LOOKS like the truths that we all live by and which have more to do with science and humanism than with Christianity, and make it look like that rapidly vanishing evidence for Christianity that you know you really need, as Faith just won't really do.

We understand that and accept it. But that will not do for you and your ilk. You fear that we are going to rip down the curtain that shows the wizard for what he really is - a grabbing little exploiter leaching off the deluded populace. You fear that we are exposing the Big Lie that you learned to love. And thus you attack us.

If you and you increasingly evident Kind did not, we would have nothing to argue about.
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Old 11-11-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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Where does the text mention cancer?
The text doesn't. It is the OP's assertion that ignoring the Levitical laws held back medical/scientific advancements, perhaps by "thousands of years." Therefore I was answering the question based on that.

I have not noticed medical drawbacks, threats to my personal health, or an excess of germs from not personally giving priests fruit.
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Old 11-11-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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What do you think about the sanitary "laws" found in Leviticus 15, particularly in regards to medical sanitation? What does it say about religious skeptics?

It's very sad to me (VERY sad) that it was not until the 1800's that the Germ Theory of Disease began in the medical world. To me, this is a profound blow against all atheists in the medical community, to their shame. They never even considered these rituals as having value before that time. Really?

I believe the origin of these ritual cleansings was probably based on observation. These things had such value to the ancient people that they regarded them as divinely inspired. Maybe they were. Before anyone ridicules the seemingly arbitrary rules and timeframes, consider that doctors today might still use arbitrary times (such as 7 days) to quarantine a person until the next checkup.

Unfortunately, the only people who valued these rituals were the same ones who believed in God. What does that say about religious believers versus religious skeptics? Could centuries, or maybe even *millennia* of medical science been advanced if they had given more serious consideration to the ancient scriptures?
Pagans, that is polytheists, had cleansing and "clean death" rituals as well.

Perhaps you remember a place called Babylon, or another one called Egypt? What about Persia? How "interesting" and "inspired" that some primitive atheist societies believe in cooking food before eating it. Or even how "the very helpful gods" might have "sort of hinted" that it's important to not eat rotten fruit unless rotted properly (fermented).

Now, if you religiously believe in the four humors, what use other than another superstition would it be to wash your hands, face, and feet?
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Old 11-11-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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The text doesn't. It is the OP's assertion that ignoring the Levitical laws held back medical/scientific advancements, perhaps by "thousands of years." Therefore I was answering the question based on that.

I have not noticed medical drawbacks, threats to my personal health, or an excess of germs from not personally giving priests fruit.
Then color me confused. I admit, I'm having trouble following the argument. Ignoring laws that were given to one small population, and which are not able to be abided by currently would hold back medical advances? These laws have nothing to do with personal health, whether or not they are followed. I'll tap out and let people who can follow this argue about it.
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