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Thanks, compwiz02. Glad you thought of me and asked me to debate Thrillobyte. It's good to be back, even though you are being a false judge calling me arrogant.
I called Thrillo arrogant as well and he defended himself saying what I call "arrogant", he calls confidence in himself based on him supporting his statements with facts and evidence. He openly admitted that there is no way you can know 100% everything about Christianity, yet he is constantly saying how Christians are afraid of admitting the truth that Jesus is a myth. but hey, lets focus on the present. I'm excited to learn something between you and Thrillo.
You are talking about Michael Way, I'm sure. Bring him on. Mike is terrified of me, that's why he always hides behind, "I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. To hell with you." (Yes, he once said that to me.)
Note: our history of being nemeses to one another goes back to 2008 even when I was a Christian. Check out my 2008 threads and the nasty things he said to me even back then.
lol no. I'm talking about JesusTruth who I have convinced to come back to the forums. I've seen JesusTruth debated against many Christians on this forum and he is always very confident in his beliefs. I'll be honest and say that his arguments may be better than Mike's because JesusTruth uses beliefs that are not attached to any particular denomination.
You are talking about Michael Way, I'm sure. Bring him on. Mike is terrified of me, that's why he always hides behind, "I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. To hell with you." (Yes, he once said that to me.)
Note: our history of being nemeses to one another goes back to 2008 even when I was a Christian. Check out my 2008 threads and the nasty things he said to me even back then.
No one, least of all me, is terrified of you. You are simply too tiny to pay any attention to. You remind me of a little mouse trying to roar like a lion but still squeaking like a mouse.
lol no. I'm talking about JesusTruth who I have convinced to come back to the forums. I've seen JesusTruth debated against many Christians on this forum and he is always very confident in his beliefs. I'll be honest and say that his arguments may be better than Mike's because JesusTruth uses beliefs that are not attached to any particular denomination.
If by 'Mike' you are referring to me, I am non-denominational. If you are referring to EscAlaMike, then yes, he is Roman Catholic.
No one, least of all me, is terrified of you. You are simply too tiny to pay any attention to. You remind me of a little mouse trying to roar like a lion but still squeaking like a mouse.
ohhhh damn LOL.....
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
If by 'Mike' you are referring to me, I am non-denominational. If you are referring to EscAlaMike, then yes, he is Roman Catholic.
Yes, I was referring to EscAlaMike who is Roman Catholic. Seems like a lot of people refer to him as "Mike". In my personal opinion, arguments that are not attached to any denomination are stronger than arguments attached to one simply because you get blinded by the beliefs of that particular denomination/church.
Happy to look this passage. It's yet another example of deliberate mistranslation and taking things out of context. I'll just post the text from a Rabbi's answer and include the link.
"In this post, we take a closer look at what the text of Zechariah 12:10 really says.
10. "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication, and they will look onto Me whom (et asher) they have pierced and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep for Him like the weeping over a first born. 11. In that day there will be a great mourning in Jerusalem like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12. and the land will mourn every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself; and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself; and their wives by themselves..." The Christian reading of this passage is somewhat problematic. The words "Me" and "Him" makes it quite obvious that the text is speaking of two different subjects. The gospel of John acknowledged this and therefore rendered the passage as, "they shall look on Him whom they pierced." This New Testament mistranslation of Zechariah in and of itself demonstrates that the New Testament is fallacious.
To interpret this passage that at some future time the "Jewish people shall look unto Me (G-d/Jesus) whom they (the Jewish people) pierced" does not seem to be what John had in mind. It is important to note that according to John, Zechariah's prophesy was fulfilled at the time that the Roman soldiers pierced the side of Jesus. As it says in John 19:36, "For these things came to pass that the scripture might be fulfilled." John saw the two different subjects of Zechariah's passage as the Roman soldiers and Jesus.
"They (the Roman soldiers) shall look on Him (Jesus) whom they (the Roman soldiers) pierced.
There is an additional problem in this passage. The Hebrew words "et asher" are not found very often in scripture. When they do occur together the phrase is read as "concerning whom" or "concerning that" but never as "whom". You can see this by reading the Hebrew original of Ezekiel 36:27. (It is also interesting to note that the Septuagint does not translate "et asher" as "whom." Its translation does not at all resemble the Christian interpretation.)
The correct translation of Zechariah 12:10 should be."they will look onto Me concerning whom they have pierced and they will mourn for him"
This is consistent with the two subjects. By reviewing the context we can also understand of whom this passage is speaking. Starting with the beginning of Zechariah chapter 12 the prophet speaks of a time when the nations of the world will be gathered against Jerusalem to destroy it (Zec 12:3). On that day, G-d Himself will defend Jerusalem and destroy all of its enemies (Zec 12:4-9). G-d will pour out a spirit of grace and supplication toward the Jews. Grace is requested from G-d and supplication are directed to G-d.
This new spirit will motivate the Jewish nation to look towards G-d concerning those Jews (collective Jewish Martyrs) (see Hosea 11:1 for the Jewish people described as him. See Ex.1 etc. verbs of oppression in singular. Cf. Deut 32, Hos 8:3 and Ex. 19:2) who have been killed in battle prior to G-d's divine intervention in fighting our adversaries.
All the inhabitants of Jerusalem will mourn. This has obviously not yet been fulfilled, now or when the Roman soldier looked at Jesus. This understanding is validated by the scriptural description that this mourning in Jerusalem would be "like the mourning of Hadadrimmom in the Valley of Magiddo." This refers to the death of King Josiah who was killed in battle with Pharaoh Neco (2 Kings 23:29-30). After his death all of Judah and Jerusalem mourned for him (2 Chron 35:22-25). In the same way that the Jews mourned over King Josiah who died in battle so too will the Jewish people in the future mourn over their war dead."
You must have missed this part (which includes the references to support it):
This is consistent with the two subjects. By reviewing the context we can also understand of whom this passage is speaking. Starting with the beginning of Zechariah chapter 12 the prophet speaks of a time when the nations of the world will be gathered against Jerusalem to destroy it (Zec 12:3). On that day, G-d Himself will defend Jerusalem and destroy all of its enemies (Zec 12:4-9). G-d will pour out a spirit of grace and supplication toward the Jews. Grace is requested from G-d and supplication are directed to G-d.
"This new spirit will motivate the Jewish nation to look towards G-d concerning those Jews (collective Jewish Martyrs) (see Hosea 11:1 for the Jewish people described as him. See Ex.1 etc. verbs of oppression in singular. Cf. Deut 32, Hos 8:3 and Ex. 19:2) who have been killed in battle prior to G-d's divine intervention in fighting our adversaries."
This is somewhat similar to how Christians insist the suffering servant in Isaiah is a singular when it's crystal clear from the context of chapter that the suffering servant is the the Nation of Israeli. Again, we are back to Christians drawing a target around an arrow.
I called Thrillo arrogant as well and he defended himself saying what I call "arrogant", he calls confidence in himself based on him supporting his statements with facts and evidence. He openly admitted that there is no way you can know 100% everything about Christianity, yet he is constantly saying how Christians are afraid of admitting the truth that Jesus is a myth. but hey, lets focus on the present. I'm excited to learn something between you and Thrillo.
You falsely judged me as arrogant and you should not have. I am a very humble person.
ar·ro·gant
adjective
having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
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lol no. I'm talking about JesusTruth who I have convinced to come back to the forums. I've seen JesusTruth debated against many Christians on this forum and he is always very confident in his beliefs. I'll be honest and say that his arguments may be better than Mike's because JesusTruth uses beliefs that are not attached to any particular denomination.
If by 'Mike' you are referring to me, I am non-denominational. If you are referring to EscAlaMike, then yes, he is Roman Catholic.
The non denominational churches have the same beliefs as other denominations. They might not answer to the well known denominational sect, but they do pick beliefs from different ones.
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