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View Poll Results: Which one is more subtropical?
NZ 4 16.67%
Virginia 12 50.00%
Both in their way 3 12.50%
Not sure it is too hard to really know 0 0%
Depends what part of each place 5 20.83%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-18-2024, 03:50 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Can you judge a climate by its gardens?
Yes.
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Old 03-18-2024, 03:53 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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NZ is simply oceanic climate, oceanic climates can get high pressure from anywhere whether tropical or polar.
Correct, and in the warmer half of the year, the subropical highs dominate for most of the country
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Old 03-18-2024, 04:28 PM
 
Location: St. Pete Beach, FL
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Correct, and in the warmer half of the year, the subropical highs dominate for most of the country
And Virginia is dominated by Bermuda high nearly the whole year, and it is close to it. NZ might be dominated by subtropical high most of the year, but it has a cold ocean current making it oceanic, while Virginia is subtropical because it takes the summers, but the winters are obviously colder than NZ.
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Old 03-18-2024, 04:31 PM
 
Location: St. Pete Beach, FL
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Atlantic is warm, that’s why.
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Old 03-18-2024, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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The westerlies, and some Sahara desert air that affects the Bermuda high do affect Virginia to some point. So it is also inaccurate to say that there is no trade winds affecting Virginia’s climate.
No that is not correct. Virginia does not get any trade winds.

There is a difference between Hadley cells and Ferrel cells. Trade winds are connected to one of these phenomena but not the other--even though both are related to your famous Bermuda high.

It may seem like semantics, but this is a weather forum and accurate terminology is important. As the self-proclaimed climate policeman I expect that you to understand this.
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Old 03-18-2024, 11:12 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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And Virginia is dominated by Bermuda high nearly the whole year, and it is close to it. NZ might be dominated by subtropical high most of the year, but it has a cold ocean current making it oceanic, while Virginia is subtropical because it takes the summers, but the winters are obviously colder than NZ.
Yes and no. It has two relatively warm ocean currents and one relatively cool ocean current. Still cool enough to keep the summers cool.

Comparing the two for sea temperatures, auckland ranges from 14,0 c to 21.7c, while norfolk ranges from 6.0 c to 26.2 c. Auckland's mean air temperature is always 2-3C cooler than the sea temperature, while norfolk's air temperature is about 1-2.6 c warmer than the sea temperature for all but about the coldest two months. So Auckland is cooled more by the sea the norfolk.
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Old 03-19-2024, 08:02 AM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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No that is not correct. Virginia does not get any trade winds.

There is a difference between Hadley cells and Ferrel cells. Trade winds are connected to one of these phenomena but not the other--even though both are related to your famous Bermuda high.

It may seem like semantics, but this is a weather forum and accurate terminology is important. As the self-proclaimed climate policeman I expect that you to understand this.
I think this man is not getting that what this police guy is saying is that it gets affected by some not that it really has.
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Old 03-19-2024, 08:07 AM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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Virginia does not really have trade winds, its location near tha Atlantic ocean might make it get affected by other phenomena that might seem related, but not really the trade winds. The Beemuda high is true, but the fact that is gets affected by Bermuda high doesn’t make it have trade winds eventhough Bermuda high does.
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Old 03-19-2024, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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I think this man is not getting that what this police guy is saying is that it gets affected by some not that it really has.
If that's the case then you could equally well say the entire region from the equator all the way up to 60°N gets affected by these circulation patterns so it's a useless declaration. It certainly does not distinguish Virginia in any particular way.
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Old 03-19-2024, 01:05 PM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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If that's the case then you could equally well say the entire region from the equator all the way up to 60°N gets affected by these circulation patterns so it's a useless declaration. It certainly does not distinguish Virginia in any particular way.
Exactly not particularly. But the fact being close to Bermuda high does give something particular to the climate, but it has nothing to really do with the trade winds exactly. Well Virginia is subtropical not because of trade winds but many other reasons.
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