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I've seen people describe Virginia as a four season climate. In my opinion subtropical climates should only have 3 seasons which in particular the northern part of North Island has. Also in subtropical climates during the winter there should be plant growth.
This makes the North Island more subtropical then Virginia.
This makes no sense.
No one describes Virginia as a “4 season climate”, and an anecdote is irrelevant anyways.
Virginia is warmer for much longer than New Zealand and the North Island. It’s capable of getting warmer in winter. It’s impacted much more by tropical weather systems.
If North Island is a “3 season climate”, so is Virginia
It can’t really? They’re not a major producer of citrus.
And can we please stop these extremely bad arguments - you can’t cherry-pick a single plant like this and go “it’s more subtropical because that can grow there”. Well, Virginia is more subtropical because it has native Live Oak
It can’t really? They’re not a major producer of citrus.
And can we please stop these extremely bad arguments - you can’t cherry-pick a single plant like this and go “it’s more subtropical because that can grow there”. Well, Virginia is more subtropical because it has native Live Oak
This is troll-tier arguing
True , not a major producer with only about 30,000 tonnes of total citrus production (about 0.8% of world production). But growing an unprotected orange is completely unremarkable for most nzers, while in virginia that just is not true.
Your live oak argument is inconsistent, as you dismissed the presence of mangrove in the north island as irrelevant .
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Originally Posted by whylie
This makes no sense.
No one describes Virginia as a “4 season climate”, and an anecdote is irrelevant anyways.
Virginia is warmer for much longer than New Zealand and the North Island. It’s capable of getting warmer in winter. It’s impacted much more by tropical weather systems.
If North Island is a “3 season climate”, so is Virginia
It's also colder for longer. Most of virginia has 4-5 months below a 10 c mean, while even wellington only has 1 month below a 10c mean (9.8c)
Last edited by sandshark; 03-09-2024 at 12:42 PM..
WesterlyWX thinks with subtropical climate 2C is not cold weather.
Ummm because it isn't? 2 C is so mild it's not even funny. I can literally sit down with nothing but a nylon-stitched fishing shirt on a calm 2 C morning. Besides, 2 C is a common temp in many, many subtropical climates e.g. Tamworth NSW - subtropical does NOT mean coastal. Let's drop this coastal perspective okay? There is a world outside your little bubble known as Auckland.
Virginia is in a region of North America that is somewhere between continental and tropical. Some parts of this region are more tropical; other parts are more continental.
Those parts that are tropical more so than continental can be properly termed subtropical.
Those parts that are continental more so than tropical don't have a great name but the term subcontinental has been raised here before. So let's go with that.
So is Virginia subtropical or subcontinental? I say let the citrus decide.
Well continental comes after temperate, temperate after tropical. Virginia is temperate but hot summers make it the a category so Cfa, Cwa, and Csa hot summer temperates are what subtropical is, Virginia is subtropical as pre-continental humid-subtropical under my description.
No one describes Virginia as a “4 season climate”, and an anecdote is irrelevant anyways.
Virginia is warmer for much longer than New Zealand and the North Island. It’s capable of getting warmer in winter. It’s impacted much more by tropical weather systems.
If North Island is a “3 season climate”, so is Virginia
Virginia has the 4 seasons, but remember it is not continental at all because the winters simply can’t fit. Continental winters are like pure hard freeze, while Virginia can even get a day with highs 70°Fs(21-26°C) and lows as 60°F(16°C) even! I’ve seen that happen, of course a 9°F(-13°C) cold wave would come with highs slightly below freezing, but not for long before 50°Fs, 60°Fs take over again, simply not continental. The winters are variable, but not really continental. In US most is very variable in winter, even Florida, even Southern Florida which is tropical would get the crazy fluctuations, so Virginia does very well as subtropical.
It would be better if we compared Virginia to other subtropical places rather than a very mild and tropical-leaning oceanic. If we base that on the vegetation that can grow than Auckland is more subtropical than Gainesville, FL which isnot even remotely true, not on latitude, not on average, that is pure nonsense. Or saying Isles of Scilly sre more subtropical than New Orleans just because hardiness zone is slightly higher. No, accept that oceanic climates can get those hardiness zones, and if even the nearly continental Cape Cod, which is only oceanic under the -3°C isotherm has subtropical vegetation and a humid-subtropical native of Ilex opaca as native, what about a very mild oceanic like Auckland, about vegetation we should already think tropical! The oy difference between what oceanic is defined and humid-subtropical like I always said, is the summer 22°C isotherm diving them, after all they share same winter definitions. That helps many subtropical plants to grow, since they are just different in the summer being cooler, that’s all.
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