NZ or Virginia more subtropical, part 2 (town, cyclone, sun, cloud)
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Unless you’re using hardiness zones to understand growth capabilities of just North American regions, I wouldn’t use them. They’re over-conservative for not taking in anything but the mean winter minimum. This typically causes Americans to be more conservative, in a global context, with what they grow. As we can see from a lot of the discourse on City-Data, it even leads Americans to misunderstand their region’s native ecology, and it leads to this weird thinking that “if the U.S. south has a certain ecological trait, it must not be subtropical”. Weird thinking.
Bullpucky! Experience teaches farmers and gardeners what can grow ..... unless you're saying Americans are too chicken to ever try zone pushing, lol!
Unless you’re using hardiness zones to understand growth capabilities of just North American regions, I wouldn’t use them. They’re over-conservative for not taking in anything but the mean winter minimum. This typically causes Americans to be more conservative, in a global context, with what they grow. As we can see from a lot of the discourse on City-Data, it even leads Americans to misunderstand their region’s native ecology, and it leads to this weird thinking that “if the U.S. south has a certain ecological trait, it must not be subtropical”. Weird thinking.
Subtropical-is-temperate takes into count the average temperature, but studying Auburn it is in hardiness zone 8 so not bad at all. You can grow Sabal palmetto, and Dwarf palmetto and needle palms not far away south start to be native. Köppen puts Cfa typical latitude as 25-40°N/S, the exact middle of that is 32.5°, Auburn is 32.6°N!!! So it us more than just an average of mean coldest month. Here is where he stated ithttps://www.city-data.com/forum/weather/3458571-city-better-humid-subtropical-example-auburn.html Also I searched well and have been personally in Auburn various times. Summer time in Central Alabama is a bigger hell than Florida(humidity is similar and daytime highs are higher)! In winter Alabama is quite variable you can experience anything, but overall super mild and you can feel tropical air still coming sometimes. Auburn in January 1, 2022 had a daytime low of 70°F! Not global warming just a clear warm snap because 2 days later it was snowing, but the rest of winter after that keep colder than average conditions but still mild.
Subtropical-is-temperate takes into count the average temperature, but studying Auburn it is in hardiness zone 8 so not bad at all. You can grow Sabal palmetto, and Dwarf palmetto and needle palms not far away south start to be native. Köppen puts Cfa typical latitude as 25-40°N/S, the exact middle of that is 32.5°, Auburn is 32.6°N!!! So it us more than just an average of mean coldest month. Here is where he stated ithttps://www.city-data.com/forum/weather/3458571-city-better-humid-subtropical-example-auburn.html Also I searched well and have been personally in Auburn various times. Summer time in Central Alabama is a bigger hell than Florida(humidity is similar and daytime highs are higher)! In winter Alabama is quite variable you can experience anything, but overall super mild and you can feel tropical air still coming sometimes. Auburn in January 1, 2022 had a daytime low of 70°F! Not global warming just a clear warm snap because 2 days later it was snowing, but the rest of winter after that keep colder than average conditions but still mild.
Definitely true, Auburn is just more than that it has everything to be a pure subtropical.
1) Virginia is not too cold. It gets downright warm for stretches of time most winters
2) Virginia is affected mostly by tropical airflow which brings them things like hurricanes
3) It does not have a “continental vibe”. Minneapolis is continental.
Why do we need to listen to some British guy ignore all climate classification systems to arbitrarily declare places “not subtropical” or “subtropical” based on his feelings and his kindergarten comprehension of climate
Easy tiger! Fact is I am allowed my own opinion. As far as I'm concerned anywhere where average Winter lows are below freezing is NOT sub-Tropical!......don't like it? Tough.
Easy tiger! Fact is I am allowed my own opinion. As far as I'm concerned anywhere where average Winter lows are below freezing is NOT sub-Tropical!......don't like it? Tough.
"muh average winter lows, muh frost" By that logic are mountains more 'subtropical' than its valleys? Because that's literally what you're implying, that it only matters how cold it gets, not how cold it actually is.
The North island and Southern/coastal Va are both subtropical in their on way. It's difficult to determine which is more subtropical. Virginia is much closer to the typical northern hemisphere east coast subtropical climates In which far more people live. Va probably takes the lead because of that.
Only the northern part of the north island of NZ is sup-tropical. The rest isn’t. Most of VA is except the Shenandoah
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Because that's literally what you're implying, that it only matters how cold it gets, not how cold it actually is.