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trifolitia and kumquats can be gown in the uk but aren't true citrus. These will grow in places like ohio or germany.
A regular orange tree has no chance in the uk unprotected. Plenty of hardcore enthusiasts on uk gardening forums will attest to this. Lemons even in the mildest parts will rely on a feature like a walled garden or proximity to a house.
True, but the Jiouyuezao mandarin, is a regular mandarin, it’s cold hardy, hardy down to 7b, most of UK is 7b or above, this is a real citrus. Long Island, NY some people are growing them without winter protection!
Anyway neither NZ nor Virginia are sub-Tropical, NZ is too cool year round, it has an Oceanic climate and Virginia, though it is hot enough in its Summer months it is too cold in the depths of Winter and has a very definite Continental vibe. A lot of NZers seem to try and claim they live in a sub-Tropical place though, Australia is sub-Tropical in parts for sure (I think part of Northern Australia is actually in the Tropics isn't it?)
Yes northern Australia is in tropics, and tropical climates are.
Well, there is a few Dfb microclimates in Virginia’s highlands, there are the elevated version of the Cfa which turns into Cfb usually there but weren’t able to pick up C winter so are D. Are you satisfied now, a bit of continental climate in Virginia. That’s it, accept it Virginia is not continental but humid-subtropical, and about continental climates those microclimates are enough, Kentucky didn’t manage to grt Dfb, the highlands only managed to change the summer category not the winter enough, so Virginia has that advantage. Overall Virginia is humid-subtropical still.
True, but the Jiouyuezao mandarin, is a regular mandarin, it’s cold hardy, hardy down to 7b, most of UK is 7b or above, this is a real citrus. Long Island, NY some people are growing them without winter protection!
Maybe, but this cultivar has been known for 60 years in the west and is still virtually unknown . It has a reputation for being tasteless. The only reference to it on a uk forum was a poster saying that cool conditions rather than cold would be the problem for it. Citrus don't like prolonged cold cloudy and damp weather.
One way of looking at it, is that I've seen quite a few pineapples over the years around here, growing under eaves against a wall, greenhouses etc, but I wouldn't say that pineapples grow here.
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Infact Virginia has not enough continental vibe whatever, I know more humid-subtropical states and places that are more continental-like like Kentucky, and Kentucky is Cfa humid-subtropical, I’ve been there, yes it is but the hardiness zone is low, but that is all. In winter it is pure mixed weather, it doesn’t feel really continental, when compared to other Humid-subtropical places of US, it acts normal, so it’s fine. Also I checked 55% of Ohio is Cfa! And Cleveland is hardiness zone 7a, and crazily taking a hardiness zone higher than even Cinncinati. But Cleveland is rather snowy, but windwill palms are thriving, Ilex opaca, and they are with the trifoliate oranges, Southern Magnolia, Cleveland is looking more subtropical than Cinncinati. The only reason why Cleveland is not classified continental is because coldest months are moderated by lake Erie, and it is very snowy because of the snowbelt. Borderline areas of humid-subtropical and humid-continental have so many complexities Virginia surely doesn’t experience enough of that, so Virginia is not continental at all, it is just part of the colder winter side of humid-subtropical, and the coasts a fine subtropical.
Windmill palms thriving in Cleveland? Don't you think this little game of yours has gone on long enough?
Cleveland’s higher hardiness zone than most Ohio due to it being in shoreline to lake Erie can make some species to thrive, but even though some Windmills are thriving there, they are not the best there. Sabal palmetto has proven to be the best in Cleveland.
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