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What does Cuba offer that Americans can't get within the U.S. borders?
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1. Caribbean beaches (and before you say Hawaii, Cuba is much closer to most Americans than Hawaii) yes, even California is closer to Cuba than Hawaii, just.
What does Cuba offer that Americans can't get within the U.S. borders?
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Originally Posted by Pueblofuerte
1. Caribbean beaches (and before you say Hawaii, [southern Florida] is much closer to most Americans than Hawaii) ....
2. Year-round hot climate.
3. Descent health care for all.
So you are describing southern Florida (except for decent health care as opposed to descent health care). And that's one of the reasons why there's an embargo on Cuba.
Again, what does Cuba offer that Americans can't get within the U.S. borders?
Because you really haven't answered the question.
Here's a real answer: Cuba might be of some historical interest because of instances of Spanish colonial architecture to 1898, probably besting the Dominican Republic in that regard and all of Saint Augustine in Florida.
Other than that, I can't think of any reason to go to Cuba.
1. Caribbean beaches (and before you say Hawaii, Cuba is much closer to most Americans than Hawaii) yes, even California is closer to Cuba than Hawaii, just.
2. Year-round hot climate.
3. Descent health care for all.
Climate wise, Cuba is not that different than southern Florida.
The proposal is not for "open borders", border security control (and document control) would stay in place between countries....it would not be any different than the current border between Canada and the US (if US were to be included in the CANZUK agreement).
The only difference is that you could actually reside and work in Canada (for an American) or in the US (for a Canadian)
I do not think guns are too much of a concern with Canadians otherwise border controls would much tighter than they are (and before 9/11 were a lot looser).
Climate wise, Cuba is not that different than southern Florida.
I've been to southern Florida in the winter, and not quite. Also southern Florida is a tiny piece of land relative to the rest of the US area/population. Cuba would add significant square mileage in year round hot climes. Cuba is the 17th biggest island in the world and nearly as big as England. There's a reason why all the American rich & famous used to flock to it before the revolution.
Last edited by Pueblofuerte; 12-26-2017 at 07:55 PM..
I posted links, more the once, from sources in the RCMP which clearly stated that guns from the US are a marginal problem...and, again, if it were, border controls would be much tighter than they are....proof is in the pudding....I'm pretty sure you remember pre-9/11 times when you could cross the border simply by waving your driving license (I remember them very well)....
1. Caribbean beaches (and before you say Hawaii, Cuba is much closer to most Americans than Hawaii) yes, even California is closer to Cuba than Hawaii, just.
2. Year-round hot climate.
3. Descent health care for all.
Not sure about healthcare, Cuba has 3 tiers and the tiers for foreigners or the elite are top-notch, but they don't benefit the people so... what's the use of such health care from a national standpoint?
I am by no way saying that the American healthcare system is much better, it's too expensive and somehow also tiered based on your income level and the private coverage you can afford. But overall, it's not as bad as what is available to the normal Cubans in my opinion. Why do you believe the decent healthcare for all is real at Cuba?
So you are describing southern Florida (except for decent health care as opposed to descent health care). And that's one of the reasons why there's an embargo on Cuba.
Again, what does Cuba offer that Americans can't get within the U.S. borders?
Because you really haven't answered the question.
Here's a real answer: Cuba might be of some historical interest because of instances of Spanish colonial architecture to 1898, probably besting the Dominican Republic in that regard and all of Saint Augustine in Florida.
Other than that, I can't think of any reason to go to Cuba.
What does Canada offer that Americans can't get within the U.S. borders? Cuba is a tropical paradise. How many reasons do you need for preferring that over depressing winters in Canada? There's a reason you can't walk two feet in Varadero without bumping into a Canadian. Canada's weather is horrible and depressing and Cuba's weather is great. Add in the music, the arts, the literary history, the cigars, the art deco, the colonial architecture, the food, the beaches, and the old school cars and Cuba is one of the most unique places in North America to boot.
Outside of Quebec, Canada is a colder, more depressing America. Why would Americans want to annex that? There's not a single part of the U.S. bordering Canada that is booming in population. Even with Vancouver's exorbitant COL, Blaine, WA is largely empty. Buffalo isn't growing. Northern New England isn't growing. Detroit isn't growing. Montana and the Dakotas and Alaska aren't growing. And Washington State's growth is due to Seattle, not with any associated allure of BC. So if Americans are clamoring to live near Canada, there's scant evidence to show it.
Meanwhile, Florida (the closest parallel to Cuba) is booming.
Maybe only about 18 million americans live within a two hour drive from Canada (I think it’s a bit more).
The other poster didn’t mention anything about drive times, he mentioned that a lot of
americans living in the northern states live in colder climates, as opposed to southern states.
I added up the populations of those northern states and came up with a total population
of about 105,000,000 ....much more than your modest 18 million
NY....20 million
PA....12.8 million
IL.....12.8 million
OH....11.7 million
MI.....10 million
WI.....7.4 million
MA.....6.9 million
IN......6.7 million
MN.....5.6 million
CT......3.6 million
IA......3.1 million
NE.....1.9 million
NH.....1.3 million
ME.....1.3 million
RI......1 million
MT......1 million
SD.....870,000
ND.....755,000
AK.....740,000
VT......625,000
WY.....580,000
If you add “borderline states...”
NJ.....10 million
CO.....5.6 milion
OR.....4.1 million
UT......3.1 million
WV.....1.8 million
Then the total is close to 125 million americans.
They are borderline but could be included ...
Colorado is a high elevation state and not much warmer than
southern interior BC...with mountain towns being colder,
same with Utah (even northern Nevada for that matter), SW Utah and southern NV much warmer.
Oregon is not than much warmer/milder than places in southern BC.
Most of West Virginia is very mountainous, gets plently of snow,
warmer than extreme southern Ontario but not overly so.
Are you trying to imply all of those have Canadian weather? If so, that is bizarre.
Here's the annual average high/low for some major cities in the U.S. "North" versus Montreal and Toronto
Ranked by Average High:
San Juan: 75-87 degrees, 72-83 in the winter
Phoenix: 63-87 degrees, 46-67 in the winter
Honolulu: 71-84 degrees, 66-80 in the winter
Miami: 70-84 degrees, 60-76 in the winter
Houston: 60-80 degrees, 43-63 in the winter
Dallas: 57-77 degrees, 37-57 in the winter
Los Angeles: 56-75 degrees, 48-68 in the winter
Atlanta: 53-72 degrees, 34-52 in the winter
Washington: 50-67 degrees, 29-43 in the winter
Philadelphia: 47-65 degrees, 26-40 in the winter
Denver: 36-65 degrees, 17-44 in the winter
Cincinnati: 45-64 degrees, 23-39 in the winter
Salt Lake City: 42-64 degrees, 22-37 in the winter
New York: 48-62 degrees, 27-38 in the winter
Boston: 44-59 degrees, 22-36 in the winter
Detroit: 42-59 degrees, 19-32 in the winter
Chicago: 41-59 degrees, 17-31 in the winter
Toronto: 43-55 degrees, 20-31 in the winter
Montreal: 39-52 degrees, 10-22 in the winter
Ottawa: 35-52 degrees, 5-22 in the winter
Calgary: 29-51 degrees, 8-30 in the winter
Edmonton: 30-49 degrees, 5-21 in the winter
As you can, and as is quite obvious, as you go north, temperatures go down. But even then, places like Philadelphia are, on average, 7 degrees warmer than Toronto (the warmest major city on Canada's East Coast), New York is on average 6 degrees warmer than Toronto, Boston is on average 3 degrees warmer than Toronto. Washington DC is on average 10 degrees warmer than Toronto. Really, the only major American cities as cold as Toronto are Chicago (1 degree warmer on average) and Detroit (2 degrees warmer on average). Mind you both of those are facing massive population losses.
Philadelphia is on average 10 degrees warmer than Montreal. As is New York. Boston is 6 degrees warmer than Montreal. Washington is 13 degrees warmer than Montreal.
And Philadelphia and New York are closer in weather to Los Angeles than they are to the inland Canadian cities (Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg). In fact, Philadelphia's average annual high of 65 degrees is 10 degrees higher than Toronto and 10 degrees lower than Los Angeles. So trying to insinuate America's north is as cold as Canada is wrong (it's not) and trying to lump American cities with Canadian cities ignores the fact that climate is based on gradient. Philadelphia's annual high is as close to LA's as it is to Toronto's. It is closer to Dallas than to Montreal. It is closer to Houston's than to Edmonton's. So why do you call it cold and lump it with Canada?
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But I guess those can be smuggled in to the states.
