MARTA transit plan includes 21 miles of light rail (Atlanta, Glenwood: subdivisions, to move)

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

Neil Torpy has an interesting piece in today’s AJC about the decline in transit use.

This is the same guy who encouraged running cyclists off Clifton Rd. A real class act he is, thanks AJC!

[brown_dog_us]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

Neil Torpy has an interesting piece in today’s AJC about the decline in transit use.

This is a quote from the Asst General Manager of MARTA in the article:

“And people moving into the urban area are less likely to take transit compared to those who used to live here,” he said.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by brown_dog_us

This is a quote from the Asst General Manager of MARTA in the article:

In other words, they have more money than time.

We've had an economic shift in this country over the last 20-40 years. There are more upper middle class and fewer middle, middle class. And with gentrification of the cities, that change has even more of an impact.

All the other factors like working from home are important too.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by cqholt

You are trying to argue that SE BeltLine is more appropriate, yet you use Virginia-Highland (which has many small apartment complexes) as an example of why NE BeltLine is a bad idea when SE BeltLine is nothing more than SFH.
Even The Beacon is nothing more than a strip mall, with a sea of parking surrounded by SFH.
ARC Neighborhood Nexus: City of Atlanta Neighborhoods – Neighborhood Nexus

I believe bu2 has repeatedly said "south of Ponce" vs. "north of Ponce", not referring to the Beltline's definitions of SE and NE sections. And he's right in that regard: development north of Ponce is mostly SFH with a few smaller apartment complexes scattered about. Within a mile south of Ponce, there are more than a dozen large apartment complexes less than a block from the Beltline.

Still, if rail is going to be installed on the Beltline, it should go from at least Krog Street to Piedmont Park.

Originally Posted by bu2

In other words, they have more money than time.

We've had an economic shift in this country over the last 20-40 years. There are more upper middle class and fewer middle, middle class. And with gentrification of the cities, that change has even more of an impact.

All the other factors like working from home are important too.

True...the inner city area, the area where all the transit is, is becoming a place of people who can afford to live in it. And those people are not the target for transit. A guy who lives in a $600,000 house isn't going to go sweat it out waiting 25 minutes for a bus to take him to his job 5 miles down the road, on a 9-mile route, then walk another half mile to the office, over the course of an hour. He's going to hop in his air conditioned car, blast some Journey, and spend 15 minutes driving there. For those people to rely on transit would require a very robust network of frequent, clean, comfortable busses and trains with few connections. Maybe one day, we'll get there.

[brown_dog_us]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

I believe bu2 has repeatedly said "south of Ponce" vs. "north of Ponce", not referring to the Beltline's definitions of SE and NE sections. And he's right in that regard: development north of Ponce is mostly SFH with a few smaller apartment complexes scattered about. Within a mile south of Ponce, there are more than a dozen large apartment complexes less than a block from the Beltline.

But think of all the development opportunities if the rail went North of Ponce.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by brown_dog_us

But think of all the development opportunities if the rail went North of Ponce.

Where? Outside of a few lots, the area north is fully developed. We can start tearing down houses and businesses, but that's about it.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

I believe bu2 has repeatedly said "south of Ponce" vs. "north of Ponce", not referring to the Beltline's definitions of SE and NE sections. And he's right in that regard: development north of Ponce is mostly SFH with a few smaller apartment complexes scattered about. Within a mile south of Ponce, there are more than a dozen large apartment complexes less than a block from the Beltline.

Still, if rail is going to be installed on the Beltline, it should go from at least Krog Street to Piedmont Park.



True...the inner city area, the area where all the transit is, is becoming a place of people who can afford to live in it. And those people are not the target for transit. A guy who lives in a $600,000 house isn't going to go sweat it out waiting 25 minutes for a bus to take him to his job 5 miles down the road, on a 9-mile route, then walk another half mile to the office, over the course of an hour. He's going to hop in his air conditioned car, blast some Journey, and spend 15 minutes driving there. For those people to rely on transit would require a very robust network of frequent, clean, comfortable busses and trains with few connections. Maybe one day, we'll get there.

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Where? Outside of a few lots, the area north is fully developed. We can start tearing down houses and businesses, but that's about it.

Provide a connection to MARTA's existing Red/Gold line and future Clifton Corridor at Lindbergh Center. That is a huge reason why. Also, rail on this corridor has been a part of ARC's long range transportation planning while SE BeltLine has not. Inclusion in MPO's long range Transportation plan is important to qualify for FTA grants, etc.

[brown_dog_us]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Where? Outside of a few lots, the area north is fully developed. We can start tearing down houses and businesses, but that's about it.

It's all about easing the zoning. Don't worry. It's gentle infill so you won't feel a thing!

[bu2]

Originally Posted by brown_dog_us

But think of all the development opportunities if the rail went North of Ponce.

Are they going to replace the golf course? Are they going to build in Piedmont Park? Are they going to tear down the houses in Ansley Park? That covers the entire western half. There will be zero additional development to the west.

To the east you've got Ansley Mall and a bunch of sfh subdivisions that will fight any conversion of sfh to high density. That leaves you just a handful of lots and Ansley Mall. And the neighborhoods will likely fight any significant densification of those handful of lots.

Nothing much is going to happen there. It isn't going to suddenly start looking like the area around the skate park.

[bu2]

The density and the potential for development is south of Ponce in some of those areas cq has mentioned-O4W, Inman Park, East Atlanta, Glenwood.