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Manitoba is an interesting place politically. Probably the most social-democratic/left wing place economically in North America in the first half of the 20th century. Saskatchewan as well, but that has faded more there than in Manitoba right? I love how it’s the kind of place people will stop their car and give strangers a ride somewhere or help them with car trouble. There’s a sense of hospitality and empathy there that’s missing here in Ontario, maybe it helps people relate more to those struggling with their sense of gender. I’m not implying people on the other side have less empathy, though. That’s not what I mean, just that I can’t imagine people have as much exposure to the trans community in rural Manitoba as urban places.
You might be surprised. There don't seem to be many people who don't know someone claiming to be trans.
It really sounds in many ways like the big push is coming as a last attempt from divorced dads with limited custody to impose their worldview on their children through the government.
All I know is when this started being a huge topic in American politics like 8-9 years ago, no one was talking about it or cared here.
9 years ago Harper was Prime Minister and you didn't have Trudeau and provincial premiers passing transgender legislation yet.
Transgenderism wasn't talked about at all in K-12 - I graduated high school in 2008 and it never came up from staff, even homosexuality was barely brought up, and only in high school. Biological men weren't allowed in womens' bathrooms, prisons, rape shelters or sports. It you had any flags displayed in public, it was the gay pride flag, without the transgender addition (and even the gay pride flag was limited in usage). No-one was asking each other for their pronouns. I'm not sure transitioning (puberty blockers, hormones, mastectomies) was even available for minors, but if it was it was much less common.
The topic began to gain attention a bit before with Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner and Jazz Jennings and continued to spread in the mid 2010s onwards with social media platforms like Twitter, Reddit, Tumblr and Tik Tok.
I would say a big point where it became a contentious issue in Canada was when Jordan Peterson (a Canadian) gained attention for pushing back against compelled speech in late 2016. Gender related topics really started spreading on social media around the same time, and discussion around that just kept increasing until peaking around 2020-2021.
The number of youth adopting these identities absolutely increased dramatically from the early 2010s to early 2020s. Remote learning during the pandemic meant parents were paying more attention to what their children were learning and the topic was also blowing up among youth on Tik Tok.
It's also notable the average time for someone to detransition is around 10 years, and with the very large increase in transitioning in the mid 2010s, those for whom that was the wrong decision are only starting to regret it now, hence the big increase in detransitioners in the past 2-3 years. I think the huge rise in regret stories has been a big factor in the push-back.
If you hate trans people you’re a bigoted disgrace to this country and you don’t deserve to call yourself Canadian as far as I’m concerned. You can have concerns when it comes to medical side effects of treatments for minors and whatnot, fine. But if you don’t want to accept trans people just living their lives sincerely you just suck as a human being. You’re not what this country stands for and go move to Putin’s Russia or somewhere like that if you can’t accept people living their lives and minding their own business. This country doesn’t belong to bigoted far right jerks and never will. If you don’t like it, get out and find some fascist utopia to live in. Not Canada though, this country doesn’t belong to sick, bigoted idologies
9 years ago Harper was Prime Minister and you didn't have Trudeau and provincial premiers passing transgender legislation yet.
Transgenderism wasn't talked about at all in K-12 - I graduated high school in 2008 and it never came up from staff, even homosexuality was barely brought up, and only in high school. Biological men weren't allowed in womens' bathrooms, prisons, rape shelters or sports. It you had any flags displayed in public, it was the gay pride flag, without the transgender addition (and even the gay pride flag was limited in usage). No-one was asking each other for their pronouns. I'm not sure transitioning (puberty blockers, hormones, mastectomies) was even available for minors, but if it was it was much less common.
The topic began to gain attention a bit before with Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner and Jazz Jennings and continued to spread in the mid 2010s onwards with social media platforms like Twitter, Reddit, Tumblr and Tik Tok.
I would say a big point where it became a contentious issue in Canada was when Jordan Peterson (a Canadian) gained attention for pushing back against compelled speech in late 2016. Gender related topics really started spreading on social media around the same time, and discussion around that just kept increasing until peaking around 2020-2021.
The number of youth adopting these identities absolutely increased dramatically from the early 2010s to early 2020s. Remote learning during the pandemic meant parents were paying more attention to what their children were learning and the topic was also blowing up among youth on Tik Tok.
It's also notable the average time for someone to detransition is around 10 years, and with the very large increase in transitioning in the mid 2010s, those for whom that was the wrong decision are only starting to regret it now, hence the big increase in detransitioners in the past 2-3 years. I think the huge rise in regret stories has been a big factor in the push-back.
There's a giant empty space between "hating" trans people and having issues with trans being a thing at all.
It’s been a thing forever, the choices are we as a society can either accept people coming out of the closet and trying to live their lives in the way they see the most fulfilling or not. Why do people care so much? Gender roles are stupid. It’s no better than telling a woman she needs to submit to and obey her husband or that her only role in life is to have babies and cook and clean. In fact, many of the anti trans hardliners believe exactly that. Trans people aren’t going away. I may not understand if, but I don’t have to. Let them live their lives, cheers to them I say. Life is too short
And there's many more things that could be said. Science is not a god to be sacrificed to and I'm not knocking science - in the best instances science is self-correcting. There's a ton of articles, scholarly and otherwise on it. I have a great deal of respect for science.
But when it comes to a soft idea that people are in the wrong gendered bodies, science is asking people to disbelieve 30,000 years of homo sapiens evolution. We organised ourselves by what our bodies could do. It was not the other way around and there is no proving how a so-called woman's brain thinks as opposed to a man's. It's actually insulting our intelligence. It's a gendered sex's fantasy of how he or she thinks the other sex thinks.
And it is much too important to subject children to. Just this summer a young girl killed herself and no doubt she will be put in the statistics of transchildren who commit suicide and used as a platform in support of allowing children to pick their genders.
The backstory on this girl who was a friend of my niece's, is that her mother left the family to live with her boyfriend. Father was looking after the children. Being abandoned by your mother cannot be a good feeling.
Girl decided at one point she is actually a he. Since it comes out later, after her death by hanging, that her mother's boyfriend had been sexually abusing her, why wouldn't she, at aged 14ish, given the smorgasbord of choices she's been told she has, decide to grab the one with power?
This makes her popular in some quarters and bullied in others. And she's not too sure what it means to call herself by a plural, or what it means in terms of living a healthy life given her background? I mean, the fights between her parents don't stop, her father still is not home much as he's at work. Her mother doesn't believe her about the boyfriend. CFS gives custody to the father. She still loves her mother and she's only 14.
In the meantime she also went back to being a she.
RIP dear friend of my niece's. Whom I had to tell that before anything in her life gets to that point, she can come to me. I will believe her. We will figure it out. She is loved.
Your story has parallels to my second cousin. I don't really know her and only met her a couple times, although I did meet her mother during family gatherings every couple years in the 90s-00s. My second cousin is around the same age (I think 14-15) as your niece's friend. Her mother had been struggling with mental health issues and alcoholism and was raising her on her own, well, she also had older brothers (17 & 19 currently) who were helping hold things together. But eventually the secret came out about her mother's shortcomings and CPS got involved. Now that she's under her father's custody, she's said she feels like she's a boy (this was in 2023).
I'm not close enough to that side of the family to know the details of what happened, and how things are going now under the care of her father, but the experience of losing the care of her mother must have been traumatic. I could imagine that she would associate being male with security (ex her older brothers), and being female with the bad things that happened to her mother.
Gender roles are stupid. It’s no better than telling a woman she needs to submit to and obey her husband or that her only role in life is to have babies and cook and clean. In fact, many of the anti trans hardliners believe exactly that.
You do realize many of them are feminists, as well as a decent number of gays, right? Among the most vocal people opposed to trans ideology in Canada, I would even say straight men are the minority.
It’s been a thing forever, the choices are we as a society can either accept people coming out of the closet and trying to live their lives in the way they see the most fulfilling or not. Why do people care so much? Gender roles are stupid. It’s no better than telling a woman she needs to submit to and obey her husband or that her only role in life is to have babies and cook and clean. In fact, many of the anti trans hardliners believe exactly that. Trans people aren’t going away. I may not understand if, but I don’t have to. Let them live their lives, cheers to them I say. Life is too short
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