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I think what June is wondering is why, on so many of these threads, are so many concerned with and fervently focused on what happens to everyone after death...there are oodles of discussions regarding this subject...and why are christians not more focused or concerned with how they live their lives in the here and now.
Please correct me if I am wrong June.
June to Christy: No, you are not wrong.
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You never ceased to amaze me...
June sometimes amazes her own self.
(Kinda scarey when you think about it...)
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God's artwork in the making?
Nope. "Just June."
Nothing more.
Just....June.
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Just to accept each other as we are now is contrary to the what Christ came to.
Huh? Trettep, friend: are we reading the same bible, you and June? Please correct June if she is wrong, but June is somewhat aware of the fact that Jesus came under much scrutiny for those that he associated with...
~Besides, if others who claim or profess to be Christians can't accept those exact, same people, then June might have to resort to not listening, except for what she reads in the NT.
If Jesus would accept June as SHE is now, then....
???
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For He came to set us at variance and has brought divisions even among those that claim to Christians so that those that are approved would be revealed among them.
Trettep, dear one: No, he did not. (Kindly refer to bolded above.)
Do you really wish to tell June that Jesus came in order to bring about division, divisiveness???
Please don't depress the June quite that much! (Nothing personal, it's just that June was a bit "thrown" by your words, above...In the event she is misunderstanding what it is you are saying, then please know she is open to, and welcoming of, clarification!!!)
It's not that we are more focused on life after death. It is important to have a relationship with Jesus now,but this life will soon be over and then your eternal life begans which has no end and we do not want ANYONE to be separated from the Lord.
It's not that we are more focused on life after death. It is important to have a relationship with Jesus now,but this life will soon be over and then your eternal life begans which has no end and we do not want ANYONE to be separated from the Lord.
Huh? Trettep, friend: are we reading the same bible, you and June? Please correct June if she is wrong, but June is somewhat aware of the fact that Jesus came under much scrutiny for those that he associated with...
~Besides, if others who claim or profess to be Christians can't accept those exact, same people, then June might have to resort to not listening, except for what she reads in the NT.
If Jesus would accept June as SHE is now, then....
???
Trettep, dear one: No, he did not. (Kindly refer to bolded above.)
Do you really wish to tell June that Jesus came in order to bring about division, divisiveness???
Please don't depress the June quite that much! (Nothing personal, it's just that June was a bit "thrown" by your words, above...In the event she is misunderstanding what it is you are saying, then please know she is open to, and welcoming of, clarification!!!)
Take gentle care.
Hi June
24And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country. 25But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian. 28And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, 29And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong..(Unfortunately the truth hurts when our hearts are not open).Luke 4
Just opening your mouth and saying things that go against the grain of what we have thought to be truth all of our life , tends to cause a stir , and more often than not that which is said is not said with the purpose to cause division , but to set free the hearer.
There is division throughout the whole scriptures , the flesh wars against the spirit and visa versa.
I agree with trettep ,i also believe the division comes through the wrong reaction to the truth.
24And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country. 25But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian. 28And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, 29And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong..(Unfortunately the truth hurts when our hearts are not open).Luke 4
Just opening your mouth and saying things that go against the grain of what we have thought to be truth all of our life , tends to cause a stir , and more often than not that which is said is not said with the purpose to cause division , but to set free the hearer.
There is division throughout the whole scriptures , the flesh wars against the spirit and visa versa.
I agree with trettep ,i also believe the division comes through the wrong reaction to the truth.
My dad used to tell me that all the time: No prophet is accepted in his own country.
It's not that we are more focused on life after death. It is important to have a relationship with Jesus now,but this life will soon be over and then your eternal life begans which has no end and we do not want ANYONE to be separated from the Lord.
This is the answer in a nutshell,as death is a thief in the night and as believers we should be concerned about others salvation while on this short-term of life here on Earth.
Please forgive, in advance, for the seeming stupidity of the question that June is about to ask. Lord knows she's been moderating this subforum since it's inception, but lately there is one aspect that somewhat rather baffles her...
There is no shortage of "ET vs. UR" debate threads on this forum. What June can't quite wrap her little 'just June' heathen mind around is the nature of what these threads are really all about: the after life. Now granted, June may not exactly be a believer, but June's also aware of the fact that we are all very much alive. Time and again she can't help but wonder: What's the deal with "after death?" June gets it that where one is "destined" to go after they die is a doctrinal/dogmatic issue that is near and dear to people's hearts. June gets it that it underscores the basic doctrinal/dogmatic aspects of each side's belief system. However....
What is the deal with the ongoing draw to what, where, when and why AFTER one dies? What about now, while one is still alive? June supposes her real question underscores the notion that while one is still walking the face of this earth as a Christian, that there would be some far more essential and far reaching issues at hand to be dealt with than "after death." She can't help but wonder at times whether the "where one goes after death" isn't a diversion from the larger issues of real life....If she is wrong in that, please: feel free to tell her. She's just somewhat taken, this morning, by this ongoing issue of where one goes after they are no longer here...
--Because you're all here, NOW. --That means that there is much to be done, much to be enjoyed, much to be appreciated, and much to clarify in order to engage in one's own life as a Christian. (Or so June would imagine?) June fully acknowledges/realizes that accordingly, due to her little 'just June' heathen status, that she's on the "fast tract to hell" but in the meantime, June's not done yet. June's got stuff to do, and a whole lot of living left to do! June wishes to not only enjoy her life, but to contribute some little something in terms of how she lives her life, NOW, and not be diverted or derailed by where she ends up later on. (Please forgive her stupidity in this, but truly, folks: Does not the intense focus on who goes where and why after death almost serve a purpose of taking away and negating what life as a Christian is, or means, in the present?)
So to anyone who cares to respond, please:
Help the little heathen better understand: Isn't it life as lived, now, that also counts? June may not be "saved" but she sure knows how to "save" that which is precious, beloved, and most essential in her own life....Such that there is precious meaning in her life now, and meaning that is meant to be lived. --What about everyone else?
Lastly, as losely translated/paraphrased in the Messsage, although only indirectly applicable to this post, this: "The Messiah has made things up between us so that we're now together on this, both non-Jewish outsiders and Jewish insiders. He tore down the wall we used to keep each other at a distance....Instead of continuing with two groups of people separated by centuries of animosity and suspicion, he created a new kind of human being, a fresh start for everybody....Christ came and preached peace to you outsiders and peace to us insiders. He treated us as equals, and so made us equals. Through him we both share the same Spirit and have equal acces to the Father." (Ephesians 2: 14,16)
So why no unity in life, but only division regarding after life? What about life?
~To those who respond, thanks in advance!
Take gentle care.
My answer is that it has everything to do with life NOW! My sharing my beliefs has actually very little to do with the afterlife. It's about life NOW. Many are in bondage to fear. And churches keep those shackles and chains on people. The more people who understand that God is love and how much God actually DOES love them... the better this world is going to be. The more people TRUST that LOVE is real... and that it MEANS SOMETHING, and that it IS the most powerful thing in this universe, the more people are going to be more able to love each other. There are some who can put forth love into this world and they don't believe in God. But I feel those people are only in darkness about where LOVE originates from. Others believe in God but are in GREAT DARKNESS about what LOVE IS and what it means. Makes perfect sense to me that it's this way. Because we are all learning. Love is love, no matter the vessel.
If it's truly love, it's from God.
Everything has to do with NOW, for me.
peace,
sparrow
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.(Unfortunately the truth hurts when our hearts are not open).Luke 4
