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When will this misunderstanding about Faith get resolved! The ONLY faith that mattered to our salvation was Christ's! It was His faith that achieved our salvation. We have nothing to do with it. The Good News is we can have faith that we are saved because of what Christ did . . . but our faith in that has nothing to do with it, It is NOT necessary for our salvation because Christ's faith achieved that for us all. The corruptions of Christ's message (Good News) into the Bad News in the "precepts and doctrines of men" is a travesty that has existed for far too long.
The New Testament states numerous times that we must have faith in Christ in order to be saved. You already know the verses. You simply don't believe them.
When will this misunderstanding about Faith get resolved! The ONLY faith that mattered to our salvation was Christ's! It was His faith that achieved our salvation. We have nothing to do with it. The Good News is we can have faith that we are saved because of what Christ did . . . but our faith in that has nothing to do with it, It is NOT necessary for our salvation because Christ's faith achieved that for us all. The corruptions of Christ's message (Good News) into the Bad News in the "precepts and doctrines of men" is a travesty that has existed for far too long.
Amen, brother. As I've said before, I had FAITH in Jesus and God for YEARS and it did not profit me. Why? Because I had not been given the faith of Christ UNTIL God's sovereign time to give it to me.
And once again Universalism rears its head. No one has eternal life until they place their faith in Jesus Christ. There are no Scriptures which say that anyone is saved apart from faith in Christ. There are passages which Universalists take out of context in order to promote their belief. On the other hand, the Bible shows quite clearly that those who die without receiving Christ as Savior are eternally lost and will spend the eternal future in the lake of fire.
The finished work of Christ on the cross makes salvation available to those who trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. It does not make salvation automatic apart from faith in Christ.
Unlimited atonement means that Jesus paid for the sins of the world. It does not mean that anyone is saved without personally receiving Christ as Savior.
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven. IF anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever." (John 6:52-53)
When will this misunderstanding about Faith get resolved! The ONLY faith that mattered to our salvation was Christ's! It was His faith that achieved our salvation. We have nothing to do with it. The Good News is we can have faith that we are saved because of what Christ did . . . but our faith in that has nothing to do with it, It is NOT necessary for our salvation because Christ's faith achieved that for us all. The corruptions of Christ's message (Good News) into the Bad News in the "precepts and doctrines of men" is a travesty that has existed for far too long.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
The New Testament states numerous times that we must have faith in Christ in order to be saved. You already know the verses. You simply don't believe them.
I know the verses you refer to and they do NOT say what you insist on believing they say because of your mentors' "precepts and doctrines of men." The inner conviction and commitment to the higher guidance (Comforter) within our consciousness is the sign of belief ON/INTO (pisteuo eis) Christ. It is revealed in our "fruits" . . . NOT our claims and proclamations of faith. Those who truly follow Christ "love God and each other" . . . and it shows in their "fruits" . . . not their claims.
I know the verses you refer to and they do NOT say what you insist on believing they say because of your mentors' "precepts and doctrines of men." The inner conviction and commitment to the higher guidance (Comforter) within our consciousness is the sign of belief ON/INTO (pisteuo eis) Christ. It is revealed in our "fruits" . . . NOT our claims and proclamations of faith. Those who truly follow Christ "love God and each other" . . . and it shows in their "fruits" . . . not their claims.
To be saved a person must understand that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for his sins. And believing that, to then simply trust in Christ for salvation. Once a person has been saved through faith alone in Christ alone he is saved forever. Those who do not believe that Christ paid the penalty for their sins remain under condemnation and are headed for 'Torments' and ultimately for the lake of fire.
I believe a Christian can lose their faith because the Bible says so: It warns Christians about this and cites examples of those from the Old Testament.
Please see, the parable of the sower. Hebrews 6:4-7, 1 Corinthians 10:1-14. Also consult Romans 11
:Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
I know the verses you refer to and they do NOT say what you insist on believing they say because of your mentors' "precepts and doctrines of men." The inner conviction and commitment to the higher guidance (Comforter) within our consciousness is the sign of belief ON/INTO (pisteuo eis) Christ. It is revealed in our "fruits" . . . NOT our claims and proclamations of faith. Those who truly follow Christ "love God and each other" . . . and it shows in their "fruits" . . . not their claims.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
To be saved a person must understand that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for his sins. And believing that, to then simply trust in Christ for salvation. Once a person has been saved through faith alone in Christ alone he is saved forever.
I know you believe this "easy peasy believism," Mike . . . but your mentors are misguided . . . besides being believers in magic and assorted spiritual entities. Your desire to believe on Christ is a good sign . . . but if it does not impact your "love of God and each other" daily and repenting when you don't . . . it is pointless. Fortunately, it does not affect our salvation . . . but it definitely affects our sanctification and what we will reap of what we sow here on earth.
I believe a Christian can lose their faith because the Bible says so: It warns Christians about this and cites examples of those from the Old Testament.
Please see, the parable of the sower. Hebrews 6:4-7, 1 Corinthians 10:1-14. Also consult Romans 11
:Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
You are correct that the bible does say that people can shipwreck their faith and fall away, fall from grace, etc... I'm not sure how anyone who believes the bible is the infallible WORD of GOD could possibly believe in Once Saved Always Saved. Not saying I am worried about the matter, but it does astonish me that those who are die-hard bible-ists ignore the scriptural warnings about losing one's faith. I would think that some people are set up to lose their faith by listening to certain teachers who teach that God wants you to have everything good in the here and now -- just "say what you want" and God will give it to you. Or if they listen to those preachers who tell people to send them a "seed-faith" (MONEY) gift for the "ministry" and that God will mulitply that back them 100 fold (financially). And then I can see how those who are taught that God will always heal all our sicknesses and then they pray and the sick loved one dies, I can see how those people are being set up to lose their faith. There is a lot of false teaching in the world.
I know you believe this "easy peasy believism," Mike . . . but your mentors are misguided . . . besides being believers in magic and assorted spiritual entities. Your desire to believe on Christ is a good sign . . . but if it does not impact your "love of God and each other" daily and repenting when you don't . . . it is pointless. Fortunately, it does not affect our salvation . . . but it definitely affects our sanctification and what we will reap of what we sow here on earth.
Salvation and the spiritual life after salvation are two different things. Eternal salvation is through faith alone in Christ alone. Those who die without receiving Christ as Savior are eternally lost. Those who believe on Christ which means to understand that He is the Son of God and that He died a substitutionary death on the cross are eternally secure.
If by assorted spiritual entities you are referring to angels, the Bible is also quite clear that they exist. Not the topic of this thread however.
And neither is whatever you are referring to as 'magic' the topic of the thread.
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