America's Moral Collapse (pastor, Lord, Universalist, diseases)
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the misfortune that i have received in life was just bek i have made many mistakes.
but to see it as an angry affliction sent from God is not correct. if a car hits me when i cross against the red, did God strike me down?
If you robbed a bank do they send you straight to a court house? We don't even have instant judgment in everything that we do here on earth, so why would you have a different expectation with God?
It is absolutely necessary. Science and the advancement of human knowledge and understanding has made completely obsolete so much of what Christians have been told to accept as truth from God. That could NEVER have happened if EVERYTHING in the Bible was truth. Christ would not have been necessary if everything in the Bible was truth. There would have been no necessity for a New Covenant if the Old had been sufficient.
Hebrews 8:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Those who do not believe in the New Covenant are destined to follow the Old "written in ink" instead of the New "written in our hearts." Those who do not trust our hearts do not believe Christ abides with us and that His Holy Spirit will guide us to the truth.
Amen. Sadly . . . the mandate to accept the ancient ignorance without question as a sign of faith in God has left far too many Christians in the dark. Their intelligence is useless without the knowledge that is denied them in the name of faith.
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Originally Posted by justtitans
You have certain posters like MysticPhd and DewDropInn, who avoid questions they do not like but then come back and cherrypick what they will respond to and expect you to respond to them in the same manner that they do not respond to you. I will give denverian a lot of credit. Even though we do not agree on some fundamental things, he/she has been gracious enough to at least continue a civil dialogue. That is what I thought forums were for. You don't really learn anything from each other, if you have people with the attitudes of MysticPhd and DewDropInn. It seems like their sole purpose on here is just to win an argument.
How can we have a real discussion about this topic without asking some hard heading questions about what they believe? I think it's impossible to have a real discussion about this topic no matter how much we disagree if people aren't willing to dialogue.
Are you even reading my posts . . . or are you dismissing them out of hand. I always dialogue and freely witness to my understanding using scripture and the "mind of Christ" as HE revealed Himself to be . . . NOT as the "precepts and doctrines of men" have painted Him by merging the ancient ignorance of the OT with His Gospel of love. Belief that everything in the Bible MUST be truth has corrupted everything about Christ's Gospel and made it an instrument of error, human division and intolerance.
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Are you even reading my posts . . . or are you dismissing them out of hand. I always dialogue and freely witness to my understanding using scripture and the "mind of Christ" as HE revealed Himself to be . . . NOT as the "precepts and doctrines of men" have painted Him by merging the ancient ignorance of the OT with His Gospel of love. Belief that everything in the Bible MUST be truth has corrupted everything about Christ's Gospel and made it an instrument of error, human division and intolerance.
I asked you a very clear question about your views, that I have asked ad nauseam and you refuse to answer the question. You need to go back to the last response I had to you.
If you don't believe Christians know what's going to happen and know the full truth, then how do you consider yourself a Christian? It sounds like you don't believe in everything the Bible says. Do you believe it's possible to be a Christian but not believe in everything written in the Bible?
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
It is absolutely necessary. Science and the advancement of human knowledge and understanding has made completely obsolete so much of what Christians have been told to accept as truth from God. That could NEVER have happened if EVERYTHING in the Bible was truth. Christ would not have been necessary if everything in the Bible was truth. There would have been no necessity for a New Covenant if the Old had been sufficient.
Hebrews 8:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Those who do not believe in the New Covenant are destined to follow the Old "written in ink" instead of the New "written in our hearts." Those who do not trust our hearts do not believe Christ abides with us and that His Holy Spirit will guide us to the truth.
Amen. Sadly . . . the mandate to accept the ancient ignorance without question as a sign of faith in God has left far too many Christians in the dark. Their intelligence is useless without the knowledge that is denied them in the name of faith.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Are you even reading my posts . . . or are you dismissing them out of hand. I always dialogue and freely witness to my understanding using scripture and the "mind of Christ" as HE revealed Himself to be . . . NOT as the "precepts and doctrines of men" have painted Him by merging the ancient ignorance of the OT with His Gospel of love. Belief that everything in the Bible MUST be truth has corrupted everything about Christ's Gospel and made it an instrument of error, human division and intolerance.
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Originally Posted by justtitans
I asked you a very clear question about your views, that I have asked ad nauseam and you refuse to answer the question. You need to go back to the last response I had to you.
The last response I made to you answered your question completely (see above). Instead of playing these search and find the questions you want answered . . . why not simply repeat them. I have answered all of your questions forthrightly.
The last response I made to you answered your question completely (see above). Instead of playing these search and find the questions you want answered . . . why not simply repeat them. I have answered all of your questions forthrightly.
You responded to a post I made in response to Denverian. You never responded nor answered the questions in this post that was directed towards you:
You have certain posters like MysticPhd and DewDropInn, who avoid questions they do not like but then come back and cherrypick what they will respond to and expect you to respond to them in the same manner that they do not respond to you.
Hey there! How ya doin?
If that's an attempt to provoke ..... it's not going to work. BTW: California failed to fall into the ocean today and they're still selling Bibles at my local gas station.
If that's an attempt to provoke ..... it's not going to work. BTW: California failed to fall into the ocean today and they're still selling Bibles at my gas station.
I'm honestly not trying to provoke you. I am just pointing out why I believe this conversation has become fruitless.
The Bible does not determine what is Christian . . . Christ does. You must NOT believe He is the LIVING Word of God so you ignore His guidance and rely on words "written in ink"thousands of years ago. You must NOT believe Christ abides with us. Do you even have a relationship with Him? How can you follow Christ if you do not know Him and do not follow His instructions to His disciples to "love God and each other" daily and repent when you don't? Do you believe God has "written in our hearts" or not? Do you trust what is in your heart or not? Do you override what is there with the "precepts and doctrines of men" that tell you what you think SHOULD be there? Is God a part of your daily life or just an object of intellectual knowledge and ritual worship? Christians KNOW Christ abides with us and trust His guidance to the truth God has "written in our hearts" under the New Covenant.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
I follow and trust Christ. You must not believe in the New Covenant or trust that Christ abides with us and His Holy Spirit (Comforter) guides us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." You seem to follow words "written in ink" without the guidance of the Living Word of God Jesus the Christ. You do not trust what God has "written in our hearts."
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Are you even reading my posts . . . or are you dismissing them out of hand. I always dialogue and freely witness to my understanding using scripture and the "mind of Christ" as HE revealed Himself to be . . . NOT as the "precepts and doctrines of men" have painted Him by merging the ancient ignorance of the OT with His Gospel of love. Belief that everything in the Bible MUST be truth has corrupted everything about Christ's Gospel and made it an instrument of error, human division and intolerance.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
The last response I made to you answered your question completely (see above). Instead of playing these search and find the questions you want answered . . . why not simply repeat them. I have answered all of your questions forthrightly.
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Originally Posted by justtitans
You responded to a post I made in response to Denverian. You never responded nor answered the questions in this post that was directed towards you:
Okay I wll try to deciipher your questions.
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Originally Posted by justtitans
Nothing you say is clear. When you are asked a direct question you dance around it. You claim to be a Christian but I have pointed out numerous times where you have been 100% factually wrong about things you have said.
How exactly have you pointed out I was factually wrong? Did you use YOUR interpretation of the Bible words "written in ink?" Not everything in the Bible is fact or truth, period . . . only that which is compatible with Christ and agape love.
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The issue is, it contradicts your idea of being a Christian.
NO . . . it contradicts what Christ lived, taught and died for. There is so much anti-Christ error in the mainstream Christian dogma and doctrine that the original Gospel is unrecognizable!
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It's either you are prone to human error, which is why you say things that are not true or you believe in a false religion.
I don't believe in any religion. I believe in Christ and His Father as HE unambiguously revealed Him to be.
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If it's the former, then it is impossible to know if you are a Christian or not because then you can make the argument that anyone who contradicts "agape" love is a Christian, since we can all make mistakes.
Huh??? No Christian contradicts agape love . . . because that is who God IS.
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There is no real standard of your theory, you can keep saying you are lead by love, even when you are clearly wrong. Go ahead, I wait to hear what you have to say.
Agape love ("love for God and each other") IS the standard and Christ epitomizes it. It is a clear standard and everyone in their heart of hearts KNOWS what is agape loving and what is NOT. They have to override what is in their hearts to impose the "precepts and doctrines of men" they have been indoctrinated with. We ALL know how to be kind, compassionate, loving etc. . . . EVERYTHING in 1 Cor 13, Galations 5 and the Sermon on the Mount. There is no mystery and no need to fabricate jargon and nonsense to pretend evil and "non-agape-love" is good because God supposedly ordered it or did it according to our ignorant ancient ancestors.
Last edited by MysticPhD; 05-30-2014 at 09:02 PM..
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No Christian contradicts agape love . . . because that is who God IS. 