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Abraham was not "God-breathed".
Jacob wasnot "God-breathed".
Samson was not God-breathed.
David was not "God-breathed".
Peter was not "God-breathed".
"God breathed" is NOT some magical incantation that is applied to anything. It means "God-inspired" and ONLY human beings can be so inspired . . . NOT books.
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Yes---he worked through flawed men. There does not exist a claim in scripture that any of those men are flawless, or that God prohibited them from sinning.
You would need to demonstrate a time when God has lied.
John 17:17 states that God's word is Truth.
2 Tim 3:15-17 also is a good statement regarding Scripture. Why would Paul think it good for all correction if it was flawed?
You would need to demonstrate a time where God actually spoke to you, Vizio . . . otherwise you are again using other men's recorded words. For example your John 17 scripture BEGINS "These words spake Jesus . . ." NOT these words spake scripture or the Bible!!! As for 2 Timothy by what spurious logic do you proclaim that instructions must be perfect to be USEFUL (profitable)????
Yes---he worked through flawed men. There does not exist a claim in scripture that any of those men are flawless, or that God prohibited them from sinning.
You would need to demonstrate a time when God has lied.
John 17:17 states that God's word is Truth.
2 Tim 3:15-17 also is a good statement regarding Scripture. Why would Paul think it good for all correction if it was flawed?
I agree. They were all fallible men that God used. The authors of biblical texts were, too. I can provide dozens of Scriptures where they
But your conclusion is that people can be flawed but when it comes to written words God changes His mode of operendi. That' convenient--but it isn't supported biblically.
Where are the words inerrant and infallible in the Bible? You take words IN the Bible and translate them to mean inerrant and and infallible which are NOT in the Bible. And yet you have no obvious repentance for adding words to the Bible? How is that taking the Bible literally? You haven't taken it literally, you have self-translated Scripture to support a pre-conceived improper notion about Scripture.
Bottom line, for all your claims that liberals "translate" freely, you are guilty of the same thing.
Church fathers Origen and Augustine rejected the Bible as "scientific" explanations for creation. 1700 years later suddenly a new theological view invades Christianity. The emphasis is no longer on Jesus, the story of import when I was growing up, but the story of the Bible in which you think you have salvation.
The Bible has become the idol worshiped and living for Jesus is just another "step" that can't even begin until the Bible becomes inerrant and infallible. And I make no apology for condemning anything that people use to avoid the Lordship of Christ.
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Not true, God said this is my beloved son in whom i am well pleased....... Listen to him.
I believe we should listen to Jesus AND the Bible. When Satan was tempting our Savior, Jesus quoted from the Bible every time and referred to Biblical passages many times in His admonitions.
I believe we should listen to Jesus AND the Bible. When Satan was tempting our Savior, Jesus quoted from the Bible every time and referred to Biblical passages many times in His admonitions.
And when the Bible is (at least apparently) in opposition to what Jesus taught?
I believe we should listen to Jesus AND the Bible. When Satan was tempting our Savior, Jesus quoted from the Bible every time and referred to Biblical passages many times in His admonitions.
Hey Bob,
Why do you not think Jesus said when he was being tempted " the word of God says man shall not live by bread alone". What Jesus actually said was it is written we live by the word of God. I take that for what it is saying. We do not live by what is written but by the word of God. If we live by what is written Jesus would have said so.
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
The word of God is what proceeds from the mouth of God, and i do not believe for one minute, that what is written is the mouth of God.
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