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What is the problem, Finn? Mystic holds that we are "saved" regardless of anything that we do, a position that often brings him into conflict with your views on a level that is often not cogent to the point being made in a thread. I merely suggest that he consider "salvation" in the light of the change that should come in our lives when we commit to the Way that Jesus embodied. This should be enough of a match to your perception of "salvation" that conversation can go on without reiteration of the meaning of "salvation."
He said you can identify a false prophet by their works. That's good advice for us, since we cannot see the actual seal of salvation. We need to be able to identify those who preach false messages, but Christ sees the seal of ownership.
What is your motivation?
Do you do works in order to prove to others you are a believer?
What are you saying? That Christ expects no fruit from His followers? Your idea of living for Christ is to question all good works? Isn't that like perverting good into evil?
Personally, I'm more concerned with following my Lord by doing good works, than in warning others they can't work their way to Heaven. Your position comes from your "biblical knowledge," and a desire to exhibit it.
What are you saying? That Christ expects no fruit from His followers? Your idea of living for Christ is to question all good works? Isn't that like perverting good into evil?
Why do you pretend I said such thing?
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What are you saying? That Christ expects no fruit from His followers? Your idea of living for Christ is to question all good works? Isn't that like perverting good into evil?
Personally, I'm more concerned with following my Lord by doing good works, than in warning others they can't work their way to Heaven. Your position comes from your "biblical knowledge," and a desire to exhibit it.
So salvation is based upon your ability or desire to keep loving God?
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BY the way what was the context of the verse you refer to?
John 8:29, "And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him."
John 6:39, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day."
Jesus said he will ALWAYS do the things that are pleasing to the Father. Then...he says he will not lose any that are given to him. So...either Jesus is lying, or he's incompetent and unable to keep us.....if you believe we can walk away from him.
So salvation is based upon your ability or desire to keep loving God?
John 8:29, "And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him."
John 6:39, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day."
Jesus said he will ALWAYS do the things that are pleasing to the Father. Then...he says he will not lose any that are given to him. So...either Jesus is lying, or he's incompetent and unable to keep us.....if you believe we can walk away from him.
Or, youb are depending on a secondary meaning of one verse that seems to contradict other citations to carry a doctrine that makes no sense.
Or, youb are depending on a secondary meaning of one verse that seems to contradict other citations to carry a doctrine that makes no sense.
Can you elaborate?
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