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I agree. They were all fallible men that God used. The authors of biblical texts were, too. I can provide dozens of Scriptures where they
But your conclusion is that people can be flawed but when it comes to written words God changes His mode of operendi. That' convenient--but it isn't supported biblically.
Where are the words inerrant and infallible in the Bible? You take words IN the Bible and translate them to mean inerrant and and infallible which are NOT in the Bible. And yet you have no obvious repentance for adding words to the Bible? How is that taking the Bible literally? You haven't taken it literally, you have self-translated Scripture to support a pre-conceived improper notion about Scripture.
The apostle Paul stated that the Scriptures were "God-breathed". I don't know how else to take that -- except that God actually inspired the Scriptures.
Peter also wrote "For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. "
Now...if Paul says that the Scripture is God-breathed, inspired by God...and Peter says that prophecy is from God -- the prophet being "carried along by the Holy Spirit"...why would you think that it could be anything less than inerrant?
The apostle Paul stated that the Scriptures were "God-breathed". I don't know how else to take that -- except that God actually inspired the Scriptures.
Peter also wrote "For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. "
Now...if Paul says that the Scripture is God-breathed, inspired by God...and Peter says that prophecy is from God -- the prophet being "carried along by the Holy Spirit"...why would you think that it could be anything less than inerrant?
Let us say for argument sake that it is God breathed, well that part which actually is scripture, and not that which has been mistranslated or added. Jesus said it is written that man shall not live by bread alone but by the word of God. Notice he did not say say it is written that we live by what is written, he said we live by that which scriptures tells us to. So the word of God is not what is written in ink and neither is the mouth of God the bible or that which is written. The word of God is fresh manna from heaven, not yesterdays left overs.
Jesus never said we live by God breathed written scripture, if they are God breathed they are life too and Jesus said YOU search the scriptures for IN them YOU "THINK" you have eternal life, but they are they that testify who is the Life. ......HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you have seen me you have seen the life,.....you "THINK"( and are wrong) is in what is written.
The apostle Paul stated that the Scriptures were "God-breathed". I don't know how else to take that -- except that God actually inspired the Scriptures. Peter also wrote "For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. "
Now...if Paul says that the Scripture is God-breathed, inspired by God...and Peter says that prophecy is from God -- the prophet being "carried along by the Holy Spirit"...why would you think that it could be anything less than inerrant?
Prophets are merely inspired men, not those who believe or say they speak for the creator. But if you want to follow a man-made institution - it's a choice you will make for yourself.
As for me, I will follow the Spirit that dwells within; it's alive and active.
The apostle Paul stated that the Scriptures were "God-breathed". I don't know how else to take that -- except that God actually inspired the Scriptures.
Peter also wrote "For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. "
Now...if Paul says that the Scripture is God-breathed, inspired by God...and Peter says that prophecy is from God -- the prophet being "carried along by the Holy Spirit"...why would you think that it could be anything less than inerrant?
When you preach are you never "carried along by the "spirit?" If not, get out of the pulpit. If you are, how are your words less "God breathed" than that of any prophet? If something comes from God how is it possible for some things to be more inspired than others? God inspires or He does not.
But you attribute a level of holiness to scripture that is above and beyond any other inspiration. If you believe only the Bible is God Breathed, then you aren't needed in the pulpit. God's inspired work can speak for itself. If you are needed, as Phillip was needed by the Ethiopian eunuch, to "explain" the scripture, then it is because the written words are the words of men of faith, not the words of God. Words from men ALWAYS need explanation. Therefore, there is no inerrancy of scripture because scripture is in constant need of interpretation. And the only thing that can be questioned is INTERPRETATION of scripture.
So stop worshipping the Bible and start worshiping the One the Bible points to. The only reason one needs an idol is because they haven't met the Son of God in the depths of their hearts. You feel " comfortable" with the Bible as your rock. It's in your hand, you treat it reverently, it is something physical to comfort you--and people dearly love physical comfort. It requires little, if any, faith. On the other hand, once you let go of everything physical there is nothing to hang onto but the Spirit of God. That requires 100% faith. The Bible, understood as a witness by men of faith, doesn't have to be followed like the Law of Moses. That's how you are viewing it now whether you realize it or not.
There is something better for you. I hope you find it.
When you preach are you never "carried along by the "spirit?" If not, get out of the pulpit. If you are, how are your words less "God breathed" than that of any prophet? If something comes from God how is it possible for some things to be more inspired than others? God inspires or He does not.
But you attribute a level of holiness to scripture that is above and beyond any other inspiration. If you believe only the Bible is God Breathed, then you aren't needed in the pulpit. God's inspired work can speak for itself. If you are needed, as Phillip was needed by the Ethiopian eunuch, to "explain" the scripture, then it is because the written words are the words of men of faith, not the words of God. Words from men ALWAYS need explanation. Therefore, there is no inerrancy of scripture because scripture is in constant need of interpretation. And the only thing that can be questioned is INTERPRETATION of scripture.
So stop worshipping the Bible and start worshiping the One the Bible points to. The only reason one needs an idol is because they haven't met the Son of God in the depths of their hearts. You feel " comfortable" with the Bible as your rock. It's in your hand, you treat it reverently, it is something physical to comfort you--and people dearly love physical comfort. It requires little, if any, faith. On the other hand, once you let go of everything physical there is nothing to hang onto but the Spirit of God. That requires 100% faith. The Bible, understood as a witness by men of faith, doesn't have to be followed like the Law of Moses. That's how you are viewing it now whether you realize it or not.
There is something better for you. I hope you find it.
Preach it. Good stuff, Warden. I have believed this for many years.
When you preach are you never "carried along by the "spirit?" If not, get out of the pulpit. If you are, how are your words less "God breathed" than that of any prophet? If something comes from God how is it possible for some things to be more inspired than others? God inspires or He does not.
I'm sorry...but no--I'm not a prophet, in the sense that I am speaking the exact words of God. I am declaring the words he has already given us.
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But you attribute a level of holiness to scripture that is above and beyond any other inspiration. If you believe only the Bible is God Breathed, then you aren't needed in the pulpit. God's inspired work can speak for itself.
Last time I checked, the Bible does not actually speak. We have to read it
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If you are needed, as Phillip was needed by the Ethiopian eunuch, to "explain" the scripture, then it is because the written words are the words of men of faith, not the words of God. Words from men ALWAYS need explanation. Therefore, there is no inerrancy of scripture because scripture is in constant need of interpretation. And the only thing that can be questioned is INTERPRETATION of scripture.
Yet....the apostle Paul said that an elder should be able to teach. Weird, huh?
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So stop worshipping the Bible and start worshiping the One the Bible points to.
I've never worshiped the Bible. Why would you say such a silly and blasphemous thing?
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The only reason one needs an idol is because they haven't met the Son of God in the depths of their hearts. You feel " comfortable" with the Bible as your rock. It's in your hand, you treat it reverently, it is something physical to comfort you--and people dearly love physical comfort. It requires little, if any, faith. On the other hand, once you let go of everything physical there is nothing to hang onto but the Spirit of God. That requires 100% faith. The Bible, understood as a witness by men of faith, doesn't have to be followed like the Law of Moses. That's how you are viewing it now whether you realize it or not.
There is something better for you. I hope you find it.
I feel sorry for you that you think God makes mistakes.
I'm sorry...but no--I'm not a prophet, in the sense that I am speaking the exact words of God. I am declaring the words he has already given us.
Last time I checked, the Bible does not actually speak. We have to read it
Yet....the apostle Paul said that an elder should be able to teach. Weird, huh?
I've never worshiped the Bible. Why would you say such a silly and blasphemous thing?
I feel sorry for you that you think God makes mistakes.
You avoided the question as well. Do you or do you not believe people are inspired by God TODAY?
If you are saying God only inspires you when you quote the Bible from the pulpit, then you are a danger to people of faith. They need someone inspired NOW to be in the pulpit. I know. I've stood in the pulpit in both conditions.
There are a lot of things in the 21st century not addressed by 1st century writings. Have you no guidance to give on those other than twisting scripture to "fit" into the current plight of men and women?
I hope to God He speaks to you other than when reading the Bible. If He doesn't, it's because, as previously pointed out, He's not left the covers of the book to dwell in your heart.
And let me share some Good News. No matter how many mistakes you make, Jesus Christ can forgive you. That very Bible you worship is proof of His ability to accomplish much through men despite their mistakes--- both in the writing of the Bible and in the living of their lives.
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You avoided the question as well. Do you or do you not believe people are inspired by God TODAY?
I see nothing in scripture to suggest that God is continuing to add to the canon. 1 Cor 13:8 states that prophesies will cease -- that they were for a time. I don't believe that I can get up and say "Thus saith the Lord!" and give new revelation for today.
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If you are saying God only inspires you quote the Bible from the pulpit, then you are a danger to people of faith. They need someone inspired now to be in the pulpit. I know. I've stood in the pulpit in both conditions.
I believe that God has called me into ministry. But no--he does not speak to me on a weekly basis in the same manner he spoke to an apostle or prophet in Biblical times.
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And I hope to God He speaks to you other than when reading the Bible. If He doesn't, it's because, as previously pointed out, He's not left the covers of the book to dwell in your heart.
If he did....should I call a church council and add it to the canon?
If he did....should I call a church council and add it to the canon?
No, just learn that the canon is not the be-all and end-all that you present. Make it a tool instead of an authority in its own right. Then you don't need to add to it or anything else, you can say, "Here is another tool!"
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Good stuff, Warden. I have believed this for many years.
