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Do you believe Jesus would take back your salvation if you stop working one day down the road?
It can happen to anyone, even to you.
If it does happen to you, remember this: He set His seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
He won't forget you.
People here are too quick to judge the faiths of other people with comments like "you don't have faith, you are just kidding yourself that you have it". Such judgment stems from a cold heart.
He won't reject us, but we can reject him. Once He has set His seal it is sure, but that is something He does and we may only think we have it, as we are clearly told.
Since no one here has said any particular person has no faith, your words in quotes are made up, to knock down. Seems you are judging those who disagree with you .................
ASV Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
They thought they knew him and he knew them. Nope.
Yep, there are two types of faith.
A living Faith that saves
A dead Faith that does nothing.
There may be two types of faith (probably more than that) . . . but none affect our salvation . . . just our sanctification under Christ's love for us all. This is a distinction that so few seem to recognize. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR SALVATION,period. Christ DID that. It is finished. What is so hard to understand about this? Why do people insist upon trying to take credit for their salvation by proclaiming faith or belief or whatever other human nonsense they THINK has anything to do with our salvation. NONE of it does! We do not save ourselves no matter WHAT we do or do not do! We only affect our sanctification . . . and that has consequences.
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In other words if there is no works there is no faith, we are just kidding ourselves that we have it.
Yes because our works are the evidence of our faith . . . but it has nothing to do with our salvation . . . only our sanctification!
Think of salvation in terms of saving from a life of futile selfishness, Mystic. I think it will help you communicate on their level.
That is a fantastic idea. . . succinct and cogent. Thanks, nate. I guess they simply will not easily let go of the being saved idea having something to do with what they do or do not do.
Do you believe Jesus would take back your salvation if you stop working one day down the road?
It can happen to anyone, even to you.
If it does happen to you, remember this: He set His seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
He won't forget you.
People here are too quick to judge the faiths of other people with comments like "you don't have faith, you are just kidding yourself that you have it". Such judgment stems from a cold heart.
I agree. Actually, weren't we told that by their WORKS (fruits) we would know them as Christ's followers? Or are you saying He said it is by their beliefs we will know them?
Do you believe Jesus would take back your salvation if you stop working one day down the road?
It can happen to anyone, even to you.
If it does happen to you, remember this: He set His seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
He won't forget you.
People here are too quick to judge the faiths of other people with comments like "you don't have faith, you are just kidding yourself that you have it". Such judgment stems from a cold heart.
It is not a judgement ........ It is what your bible says............faith without works is dead, in other words non existent.
He won't reject us, but we can reject him. Once He has set His seal it is sure, but that is something He does and we may only think we have it, as we are clearly told.
Ok, so when does Christ set the seal of ownership? Is it when you are saved, or when you have done enough 'good works'?
The answer: When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
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ASV Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Why didn't the Lord know them?
Because they did not have the seal of ownership, they only had works.
"Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"
The seal which opens the door, not the works, and the passage you quoted proves it.
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They thought they knew him and he knew them. Nope.
They thought they had earned their salvation through their works.
I agree. Actually, weren't we told that by their WORKS (fruits) we would know them as Christ's followers? Or are you saying He said it is by their beliefs we will know them?
He said you can identify a false prophet by their works. That's good advice for us, since we cannot see the actual seal of salvation. We need to be able to identify those who preach false messages, but Christ sees the seal of ownership.
What is your motivation?
Do you do works in order to prove to others you are a believer?
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