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Two unbelievers can get married and they are still seen as married in the eyes of God. 2 gay people getting married dont care about marriage, all they want it government benefits. You cant Love and worship God and then live a lifestyle that he calls an abomination.
Should gays be abused for their sexual preference? No as heterosexuals shouldnt either
Should gays get the same befits are married folks? No as they are just friends trying to get the same benefits of something God designed(marriage) and they want to corrupt.
You do realize that religion is not a requirement to be married, don't you? In fact, only civil marriages are recognized by this country. Marriages in this country are based on civil law ....they must be recognized by the state via a marriage license (few exceptions). Couples who happen to participate in a religious ceremony still can't be legally married until they follow through with the civil aspect of the ceremony (signing of the marriage license etc). So why do you act as though you have some kind of control over who should be able to get married? Your religious ceremony is extraneous. Sure, it might be meaningful to you, but it is irrelevant to the govt. That is why your god-beliefs should not play into the civil rights of its citizens to participate in a civil ceremony.
Are you married? Do you have a marriage license? For those of you who are married that don't think the government should be involved in the marriage business.....have you dissolved your legal, governmental, ties? Have you cut the cord with the government, and civilly divorced your spouse? After all, you are still married in god's eyes, right? Hmm, I don't see too many of you doing that. You complain about government involvement but you seem to not want to have to give up the "goodies" that come automatically with marriage. That would mean you would have to work extra hard to try to obtain the over 1400 benefits and protections, on your own. Unfortunately, many of these benefits and protections could never be obtained on your own, without a marriage license. I'd like to know what kind of benefits God gives you just for being married in His eyes (without a government (civil) marriage license)?
I have had a theory for some time that many who believe to their core are actually bisexual and either don't realize it, or are in denial. Because they're the only ones who can make an actual choice.
If you try that now days out of love, you are either called a fundie, bigot, or are accused of judging.
You seem not to know what agape love IS. Sin is not acting out of agape love for God and each other. You cannot be acting out of agape love when you judge, criticize, disparage, or threaten anyone. So when you do that . . . you are sinning. All the specified sins are examples of not acting out of agape love for God and each other. That is why those two commands encompass all the law . . . and more so. Agape love requires that you consider everyone one involved in any action and harm no one. That is why adultery is bad. It harms your spouse.
I have had a theory for some time that many who believe to their core are actually bisexual and either don't realize it, or are in denial. Because they're the only ones who can make an actual choice.
Agreed. And many are deeply-closeted gays who can't even admit the truth to themselves so they involve some poor woman in a largely loveless marriage to "prove" they aren't gay.
I have no doubt one or two of our more fervent fundamentalist homophobes here on CD fit that bill.
This is so tiresome! With pedophilia there is an innocent VICTIM. There is a reason for society to be concerned under its charge to protect its citizens. There is NO comparable victim or any other basis for society to discriminate against homosexuals no matter what you think about it.
the point is if homosexuality is NOT a choice irrispective of the law why do you think pedophilia is, are they not both * ;lifestyles * which the owner chooses to practice ?
how about incest a life style which most times have willing participants should that be legal as well ?
the point is if homosexuality is NOT a choice irrispective of the law why do you think pedophilia is, are they not both * ;lifestyles * which the owner chooses to practice ?
how about incest a life style which most times have willing participants should that be legal as well ?
Do you have any idea about the laws of consent? A child cannot consent.
As for incest, wasn't it shown to be quite prevalent in the OT? Wasn't Abraham married to his sister? Did not Jacob end up marrying two sisters? Incest is not outlawed because of anything the Bible says because it appears to approve it. Incest is outlawed because of the possibility that two closely related people could have genetically defective children.
On the other hand that wouldn't be a problem for two brothers marrying each other!
This is so tiresome! With pedophilia there is an innocent VICTIM. There is a reason for society to be concerned under its charge to protect its citizens. There is NO comparable victim or any other basis for society to discriminate against homosexuals no matter what you think about it.
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Originally Posted by JohnA151
the point is if homosexuality is NOT a choice irrispective of the law why do you think pedophilia is, are they not both * ;lifestyles * which the owner chooses to practice ?
how about incest a life style which most times have willing participants should that be legal as well ?
Pay close attention . . . the law is used to protect citizens and maintain order in society. The law should NOT be used to control what consenting adults do sexually . . . despite a long history of doing so under pressure from Christians. It protects no one because no one is being harmed. The pedophilia laws DO protect innocent children who can NOT consent because they are NOT adults. You can continue to pretend you do not understand this and erect more straw men to push your agenda of hate for homosexuals . . . but it won't work. In America . . . there is NO right to discriminate against or mistreat homosexuals in any way whatsoever . . . no matter what you or your God think about them.
But, I am wondering, as an active free-will mind usually does,
what chapter and verse is that beautiful LOVE THE SINNER, HATE THE SIN actually found?
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