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Kings 2. 11 Now as they walked on, talking as they went, a chariot of fire appeared and horses of fire coming between the two of them; and went up to in the whirlwind. 12 Elisha saw it, and shouted, 'My father! My father!
You must have missed this--10 years after the chariot event--Elijah wrote a letter to the king-2Chron 21:12-15)
The term heaven was used in 3 separate meanings throughout the bible
1) our atmosphere)
2) outer space
3) the dwelling place of God
in Elijah' chariot event--#1 applies--he was taken to another part of the earth-retired--Elisha took over.--thus the capability to write that letter 10 years later.
Jesus was the first to ever enter #3 from earth.
They did not reject a new covenant at all...Well, if G-d told them to be on the look-out for a mighty king, then, don't you suppose that that's what they were looking for?...If I told you to be on the look-out for a man in a red shirt, would you be looking for a man in a blue shirt?...
G-d did not cut His Chosen off...Even Paul says that...So, where are you getting this from?...The Watch-Tower?...
My wife was born into and raised as a Jehovah's Witness her whole life, and she would tear you up one side and down the other for your mis-information...
ask her, I approve fully if she is an actual JW. Matt 23:37-38 is truth= cut off--unless they accept Jesus as the Messiah=100% fact.
ask her, I approve fully if she is an actual JW. Matt 23:37-38 is truth= cut off--unless they accept Jesus as the Messiah=100% fact.
I just asked her last night and she said that anybody can claim to be a JW, it doesn't mean that they are and she says that in her whole life in the congregation she never heard of Jehovah cutting His people off (i.e. rejecting them), the Jews are still His Chosen...Because Matthew is taking about Jerusalem specifically, not all Israel...Jerusalem is not synonymous with Israel...Jerusalem was the center for religious observance, Jerusalem was where the Temple stood and the Priests offered up sacrifices to G-d, Jerusalem was responsible for the spiritual guidance of Israel...
Mat 23:37 `Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee, how often did I will to gather thy children together, as a hen doth gather her own chickens under the wings, and ye did not will.
(It says Jerusalem, not Israel)
Mat 23:38 Lo, left desolate to you is your house; (Jerusalem's House, i.e. the Temple)
Mat 23:39 for I say to you, ye may not see me henceforth, till ye may say, Blessed is he who is coming in the name of the Lord.'
This last is common for the Jews to bless those who come bearing a message from HaShem...
My wife also asked me why I bother arguing with an obvious idiot that obviously doesn't know JW doctrine...Her words, not mine...Like I said, my wife could tear you up one side and down the other with her knowledge...It is all she knew growing up and was very dedicated...
You must have missed this--10 years after the chariot event--Elijah wrote a letter to the king-2Chron 21:12-15)
The term heaven was used in 3 separate meanings throughout the bible
1) our atmosphere)
2) outer space
3) the dwelling place of God
in Elijah' chariot event--#1 applies--he was taken to another part of the earth-retired--Elisha took over.--thus the capability to write that letter 10 years later.
Jesus was the first to ever enter #3 from earth.
I just asked her last night and she said that anybody can claim to be a JW, it doesn't mean that they are and she says that in her whole life in the congregation she never heard of Jehovah cutting His people off (i.e. rejecting them), the Jews are still His Chosen...Because Matthew is taking about Jerusalem specifically, not all Israel...Jerusalem is not synonymous with Israel...Jerusalem was the center for religious observance, Jerusalem was where the Temple stood and the Priests offered up sacrifices to G-d, Jerusalem was responsible for the spiritual guidance of Israel...
Mat 23:37 `Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee, how often did I will to gather thy children together, as a hen doth gather her own chickens under the wings, and ye did not will.
(It says Jerusalem, not Israel)
Mat 23:38 Lo, left desolate to you is your house; (Jerusalem's House, i.e. the Temple)
Mat 23:39 for I say to you, ye may not see me henceforth, till ye may say, Blessed is he who is coming in the name of the Lord.'
This last is common for the Jews to bless those who come bearing a message from HaShem...
My wife also asked me why I bother arguing with an obvious idiot that obviously doesn't know JW doctrine...Her words, not mine...Like I said, my wife could tear you up one side and down the other with her knowledge...It is all she knew growing up and was very dedicated...
Your wife is mistaken--I know exactly what the JW,s teach on that matter--literal Israel is cut off--spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen. This is fact.
Any Israelite on the planet can accept Jesus as the messiah--some have. But it is a requirement with 0 doubt.
You must have missed this--10 years after the chariot event--Elijah wrote a letter to the king-2Chron 21:12-15)
The term heaven was used in 3 separate meanings throughout the bible
1) our atmosphere)
2) outer space
3) the dwelling place of God
in Elijah' chariot event--#1 applies--he was taken to another part of the earth-retired--Elisha took over.--thus the capability to write that letter 10 years later.
Jesus was the first to ever enter #3 from earth.
Funny 2Chron 21,12-15
Says nothing of the sort, why are you lying?
And kings 2 does say:- 11 Now as they walked on, talking as they went, a chariot of fire appeared and horses of fire coming between the two of them; and Elijah went up to Heaven in the whirlwind.
Maybe you should read 2 Chron 12-15 as you have clearly mis understood it
12 Something written by the prophet Elijah then came into his hands. It said, 'Yahweh, god of your ancestor David, says this, "Since you have not followed the example of your father Jehoshaphat or of Asa king of Judah, 13 but have followed the example of the kings of Israel and have led Judah and the citizens of Jerusalem into apostasy, just as the House of Ahab has led Israel into apostasy, and have even murdered your brothers, your own family, who were better men than you,
14 Yahweh is going to afflict your people, your sons, your wives and all your property with a great calamity,
15 and you yourself with a severe disease affecting your bowels, as a result of which disease, continuing day after day, you will suffer protrusion of your bowels." '
John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
Acts 2:34-35 (NKJV)
34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.
Jesus also said no one has ever ascend to heaven but him, so why do we think the moment we die, we go directly to heaven or hell?
13 No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven.
There could be an issue with the translation.
But generally it appears to me that anyone who has come down from heaven could therefore go back. As the Angels do for example.
And as Elijah has.
Ofcourse your question is actually about humans.
Jesus says however:-
John 14
1 Do not let your hearts be troubled. You trust in God, trust also in me. 2 In my Father's house there are many places to live in; otherwise I would have told you. I am going now to prepare a place for you,
3 and after I have gone and prepared you a place, I shall return to take you to myself, so that you may be with me where I am.
So it appears Jesus offers a place in heaven to those who are with him, weather that is extended to all people that follow him is a question, sinners are certainly not included-
John 8.
34 Jesus replied: In all truth I tell you, everyone who commits sin is a slave. 35 Now a slave has no permanent standing in the household, but a son belongs to it for ever.
So Christian sinners will face Judgement, and probably go to sheol till the judgement(they sleep); Hell ofcourse does not come into existence untill arround the time of the judgement.
For the other sin less Christians
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life
Not forgetting that part of the reason Elijah is prophecied to come before the Messiah, was because he had not died and had risen in to heaven.
No, he didn't go to heaven...
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