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Old 09-17-2015, 12:35 PM
 
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The Holy spirit is God's identifier in a man,
With out Him, one is not taught of God, nor has the Lordship of Christ.
Matthew 7;21,22,23,
Falsely calling Jesus Lord does not make it so .
All judgment is at Jesus feet ,in whom His lordship is exercised real time .
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Old 09-17-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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It was you who stated one anointed is Messiah.
And it was you who said that your teachers were anointed...
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Old 09-17-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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Matt 23:37-38--( speaking of the Israelite religion)--Jerusalem,jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her, how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings, but you people did not want it.38-look, your house is abandoned to you.= cut off.----

No, it is not speaking of the Israelite religion, which is Judaism....And if you notice, he was speaking to JERUSALEM, not Israel...Jerusalem is a city, not a nation...




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read all of 23--Jesus condemns them as wicked. And by rejecting the Messiah to this day, they are still what Jesus told them in 23.
The renting of the banner at the moment Jesus died signified they are cut off as Gods chosen.
No, the rending of the curtain meant that one may now have direct access to the Father...



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Its you who is in for the big shock.
No, it's definitely going to be you...

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God did leave the door open to all--they must accept Jesus as the Messiah. The Israelite religion has refused for over 1900 years. It will not change--spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.
Yet, your Old Testament says different...Why's that?...
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:24 PM
 
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No, it is not speaking of the Israelite religion, which is Judaism....And if you notice, he was speaking to JERUSALEM, not Israel...Jerusalem is a city, not a nation...






No, the rending of the curtain meant that one may now have direct access to the Father...





No, it's definitely going to be you...



Yet, your Old Testament says different...Why's that?...

The ot says different because the nt wasn't in that time period--When one sends Gods son to his death--they get rejected. But I told you--God left the door open to them--they must accept Jesus as the Messiah--they outright refuse. So now spiritual Israel is Gods chosen.
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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And it was you who said that your teachers were anointed...

All of the 144,00 are anointed. 2Cor 1:21-24-- yet fellow workers--- Heb 1:9-- who do you say Jesus' partners are?
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:56 PM
 
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All of the 144,00 are anointed. 2Cor 1:21-24-- yet fellow workers--- Heb 1:9-- who do you say Jesus' partners are?
Then you claim 144,000 Messiahs...

Well, either you are his partners or his servants...Not both...
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Old 09-17-2015, 06:00 PM
 
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The ot says different because the nt wasn't in that time period--When one sends Gods son to his death--they get rejected. But I told you--God left the door open to them--they must accept Jesus as the Messiah--they outright refuse. So now spiritual Israel is Gods chosen.
Nope...You're wrong...G-d Himself states that He never changes...He said that He was going to make a New Covenant with Israel and write His Laws on their hearts...Nothing about Gentiles there...He also stated how the Gentile will be blessed in Isaiah 56...If they join themselves to G-d and observe His Shabbat and Mitzvot and Feasts...What your COT says is not what the Hebrew TaNaKh says...That's a fact...
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Old 09-18-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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Nope...You're wrong...G-d Himself states that He never changes...He said that He was going to make a New Covenant with Israel and write His Laws on their hearts...Nothing about Gentiles there...He also stated how the Gentile will be blessed in Isaiah 56...If they join themselves to G-d and observe His Shabbat and Mitzvot and Feasts...What your COT says is not what the Hebrew TaNaKh says...That's a fact...

But the whole bottom line of all of it---they must accept Jesus as the Messiah. Jesus brought the new covenant--Israel rejected it along with the Messiah--God did his part and kept his promise--Israel rejected it.
The reason why they rejected it---they had placed themselves upon a pedastel--referring to the flock as Amharets( giving scraps off the table to the dogs--these were spiritual scraps_ they convinced themselves the Messiah would show up as a mighty king and destroy the romans--a mere carpenters son came and told them of their many errors and they needed to be corrected--they hated Jesus because in their eyes he was a nobody, not a mighty king. A nobody trying to correct the teachers( scholars of the day) of Gods chosen people.
Upon their rejection of Gods arrangement( Gods will) he rejected them, cut them off-Matt 23:37-38--sending his son to his death out of hearts filled with hatred was the last straw.
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Old 09-18-2015, 03:46 PM
 
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But the whole bottom line of all of it---they must accept Jesus as the Messiah. Jesus brought the new covenant--Israel rejected it along with the Messiah--God did his part and kept his promise--Israel rejected it.
The reason why they rejected it---they had placed themselves upon a pedastel--referring to the flock as Amharets( giving scraps off the table to the dogs--these were spiritual scraps_ they convinced themselves the Messiah would show up as a mighty king and destroy the romans--a mere carpenters son came and told them of their many errors and they needed to be corrected--they hated Jesus because in their eyes he was a nobody, not a mighty king. A nobody trying to correct the teachers( scholars of the day) of Gods chosen people.
Upon their rejection of Gods arrangement( Gods will) he rejected them, cut them off-Matt 23:37-38--sending his son to his death out of hearts filled with hatred was the last straw.
They did not reject a new covenant at all...Well, if G-d told them to be on the look-out for a mighty king, then, don't you suppose that that's what they were looking for?...If I told you to be on the look-out for a man in a red shirt, would you be looking for a man in a blue shirt?...

G-d did not cut His Chosen off...Even Paul says that...So, where are you getting this from?...The Watch-Tower?...

My wife was born into and raised as a Jehovah's Witness her whole life, and she would tear you up one side and down the other for your mis-information...
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Old 09-18-2015, 04:26 PM
 
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Elijah accended:-

Kings 2. 11 Now as they walked on, talking as they went, a chariot of fire appeared and horses of fire coming between the two of them; and went up to in the whirlwind. 12 Elisha saw it, and shouted, 'My father! My father!
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