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There is no greater death in the mind of man than the actual belief "in separation from God". The world does not have to worry about death as we know it any longer because Jesus conquered it, but the belief in separation will cause it to miss out on the abundant life that already belongs to it.
When Jesus said yours is the kingdom..... He was affirming this has always been the case.
There is no greater death in the mind of man than the actual belief "in separation from God". The world does not have to worry about death as we know it any longer because Jesus conquered it, but the belief in separation will cause it to miss out on the abundant life that already belongs to it.
When Jesus said yours is the kingdom..... He was affirming this has always been the case.
Man by nature is dead to God, dead in sin ! So naturally he is totally depraved. Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Man dead in sin doesnt even desire the True God. He may seek a god, but it wont be the one True God. Man naturally is at enmity against the True God Rom 8:7 and cant be submitted to Him
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Man by nature is dead to God, dead in sin ! So naturally he is totally depraved. Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Man dead in sin doesnt even desire the True God. He may seek a god, but it wont be the one True God. Man naturally is at enmity against the True God Rom 8:7 and cant be submitted to Him
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
I guess that is why the psalms and proverbs speak often of the righteousness because man is naturally depraved. You clearly think from a depraved mind with your view of God, but you don't have to.
Depraved or not….isn’t for me to say, but humans definitely have a way to dole out gifts while gently placing the proverbial knife into someone’s back. Christians like all humans are guilty of this.
Man by nature is dead to God, dead in sin ! So naturally he is totally depraved. Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Man dead in sin doesnt even desire the True God. He may seek a god, but it wont be the one True God. Man naturally is at enmity against the True God Rom 8:7 and cant be submitted to Him
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Context is everything! Stripping segments of verses is not the way to interpret the word of God. There is nothing in either of the partial verses you cited that mention man being totally depraved AT BIRTH. In fact, the phrase “totally depraved” is not from the Scriptures. It’s an invention of man.
I guess that is why the psalms and proverbs speak often of the righteousness because man is naturally depraved. You clearly think from a depraved mind with your view of God, but you don't have to.
When scripture speaks of the righteous, then its not speaking of the natural man. If you pay attention the scripture speaks of the natural man, what we are by nature as being dead to God. BTW the Psalms write on the same thing Ps 14:1-3
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
The way we are born naturally, none seek God, we hate God.
Context is everything! Stripping segments of verses is not the way to interpret the word of God. There is nothing in either of the partial verses you cited that mention man being totally depraved AT BIRTH. In fact, the phrase “totally depraved” is not from the Scriptures. It’s an invention of man.
There is truth within context. You would have to critcize Paul and other writers of scripture, even Christ Himself who borrowed verses here or there to make a point. You just giving yourself a reason to reject what the scripture teach. Man by nature is evil from birth, thats why he needs to be born again.
Men are said to be wicked from the womb speaking lies Ps 58:3
3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
There is truth within context. You would have to critcize Paul and other writers of scripture, even Christ Himself who borrowed verses here or there to make a point. You just giving yourself a reason to reject what the scripture teach. Man by nature is evil from birth, thats why he needs to be born again.
Men are said to be wicked from the womb speaking lies Ps 58:3
3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Thats Gods view !
You must consider the whole counsel of God.
Jesus promises, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 18:3). Does Jesus want us to convert and become like lawless, sinful children, who are destined for hell? Jesus promises us that we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven if we do not become like children (cf. 1 Cor. 14:20).
Children obviously represent innocence in the Scriptures. These verses makes no sense if children are born totally depraved. Sin separates us from God (Isa. 59:2). If children are sinful, they are separated from God. But they are innocent. That’s why we have to become like them (innocent, teachable, trusting) to enter the kingdom of heaven. Why else would Jesus tell us to become like children?
Jesus promises, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 18:3). Does Jesus want us to convert and become like lawless, sinful children, who are destined for hell? Jesus promises us that we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven if we do not become like children (cf. 1 Cor. 14:20).
Children obviously represent innocence in the Scriptures. These verses makes no sense if children are born totally depraved. Sin separates us from God (Isa. 59:2). If children are sinful, they are separated from God. But they are innocent. That’s why we have to become like them (innocent, teachable, trusting) to enter the kingdom of heaven. Why else would Jesus tell us to become like children?
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When man was put out of the garden for his own, we read that God had not distanced himself from fallen man because he was in conversation with Cain and Abel, He even gave Cain a mark on his head for protection. It was man who lost the closeness of God (it wasn't taken away from), he lost sight of it. So, how can this vile doctrine of being totally depraved before God stand in the light of this.
I was part of a group years ago that was so focused on our own short comings that we all felt totally depraved, but in spite of that we thought we were chosen.
Jesus promises, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 18:3). Does Jesus want us to convert and become like lawless, sinful children, who are destined for hell? Jesus promises us that we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven if we do not become like children (cf. 1 Cor. 14:20).
Children obviously represent innocence in the Scriptures. These verses makes no sense if children are born totally depraved. Sin separates us from God (Isa. 59:2). If children are sinful, they are separated from God. But they are innocent. That’s why we have to become like them (innocent, teachable, trusting) to enter the kingdom of heaven. Why else would Jesus tell us to become like children?
I am considering the whole counsel of God. The scripture teaches total depravity, even from the womb man is spiritually dead to God. Mans heart by nature is wicked Jer 17:9
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
A person is born naturally with this heart.
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