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Old 04-24-2010, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I believe that spirit + body = living soul. It makes sense to me and is from Genesis so ...

I know there is a body and if you call what animates us a spirit then without both you are not alive. The dead are not animated so they are missing something, the spark of life.
Yeah, that's my understanding, too. A spirit is simply a "life source." It is when the spirit enters a body that the body becomes a "living soul," and when the spirit leaves the body that the body dies. I don't see a "soul" as a separate entity the way some people do. I see it is the result of a spirit inhabiting a body.
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Old 04-24-2010, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a LIVING SOUL.

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt SURELY DIE.

What died in Adam the very instant he ate? We must believe that when God said "thou shalt surely die" Adam did...what died in him?

Unless a man be born again in the spirit...he shall not see the Kingdom of God.
In your opinion, could "born again" mean renewed rather than replaced?
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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In your opinion, could "born again" mean renewed rather than replaced?
In my opinion...yes!

Leave the dead to bury their dead

Adam was still standing and was able to reason with God after he ate...did he not? He physically died 930 years later. Genesis 5:5

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Old 04-24-2010, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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In my opinion...yes!

Leave the dead to bury their dead

Adam was still standing and was able to reason with God after he ate...did he not? He physically died 930 years later. Genesis 5:5
So I don't think man lost his spirit as much as death became the norm where as they had only known life.

Leave the dead to bury their dead kinda makes it sound like the dead bodies are not useful anymore but that the spirit has moved on... IMO

But yes Adam did not physically die at that moment... but we also have no idea how old he was when he was told he would die. Perhaps he was in Eden for 930 years and so he actually did die that day..
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Old 04-24-2010, 07:40 PM
 
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So I don't think man lost his spirit as much as death became the norm where as they had only known life.

Leave the dead to bury their dead kinda makes it sound like the dead bodies are not useful anymore but that the spirit has moved on... IMO

But yes Adam did not physically die at that moment... but we also have no idea how old he was when he was told he would die. Perhaps he was in Eden for 930 years and so he actually did die that day..
Valid question kat...but I take into consideration that Adam only begat after the expulsion from the garden. Again that's my opinion since we won't know until...and will not push it as the truth. I believe that by taking a close look at God's word... instead of just blindly following a set doctrine (Luke 17:12-19)...makes God smile already...I like that
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Old 04-24-2010, 07:40 PM
 
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WOW!!!

Never, ever before has June done a "mod cut" --ever-- in ANY of the three Religion Forums just to say that she has rarely seen a thread make it this far, without a single deletion needed, a single insult, or for that matter, a single rudely worded post.

~~This is like some sort of surreal moderator "breath of fresh air" and for that, JUNE COMMENDS YOU GUYS!!!!


KUDOS!!!!



(Okay, carry on....That's all June needed to say....)

Sorry for the interuption....
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Old 04-24-2010, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Valid question kat...but I take into consideration that Adam only begat after the expulsion from the garden. Again that's my opinion since we won't know until...and will not push it as the truth. I believe that by taking a close look at God's word... instead of just blindly following a set doctrine (Luke 17:12-19)...makes God smile already...I like that
Agreed!
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Old 04-24-2010, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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WOW!!!

Never, ever before has June done a "mod cut" --ever-- in ANY of the three Religion Forums just to say that she has rarely seen a thread make it this far, without a single deletion needed, a single insult, or for that matter, a single rudely worded post.

~~This is like some sort of surreal moderator "breath of fresh air" and for that, JUNE COMMENDS YOU GUYS!!!!


KUDOS!!!!



(Okay, carry on....That's all June needed to say....)

Sorry for the interuption....
Miracles do exist!
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Old 04-24-2010, 11:26 PM
 
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Miracles do exist!
Don't scare June.
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I've got another question...

I hear people sometimes speak of spirit and soul as if the two were synonyms, and I hear other people say we are made up of body, spirit and soul. Do you see the spirit and the soul as separate and, if you do, could you explain what you believe the difference to be between them?
I'll express my view very simply;

The soul is to the spirit, as soil is to seed

or

The soul is to the spirit, as a radio is to radio waves
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