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you stated the Downtown will be at 400K about 1 or 2 pages ago in this thread, in 2000 it was at 27K just for reference.
EDIT: Actually my bad, I misread the earlier post, thought I read as will have for some reason
No, I stated D.C. would have to add that many people to have the density of center city which isn't going to happen. Downtown D.C. is so enormous that it would take 400,000 people to have the density of center city. Go back and look. Downtown D.C. would have to add 5,000,000 people to have the density of friendship village/friendship heights in D.C. which is the most dense census designated place in the country at over 80,000 people per sq. mile. See how comparing area's of extremely different sizes is not relevant. You can't compare populations for downtown D.C. and center city Philly because the size differential is to great. Downtown D.C. is a different animal and only getting better in the future. Center city is great for Philly though and fits into the mainly row house city.
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No, I stated D.C. would have to add that many people to have the density of center city which isn't going to happen. Downtown D.C. is so enormous that it would take 400,000 people to have the density of center city. Go back and look. Downtown D.C. would have to add 5,000,000 people to have the density of friendship village/friendship heights in D.C. which is the most dense census designated place in the country at over 80,000 people per sq. mile. See how comparing area's of extremely different sizes is not relevant. You can't compare populations for downtown D.C. and center city Philly because the size differential is to great. Downtown D.C. is a different animal and only getting better in the future. Center city is great for Philly though and fits into the mainly row house city.
Where are you getting your data from? I don't have to look this up to know that it's totally wrong. Manhattan only has a density of around 70K per square mile in 23 sq. miles. Needless to say, downtown DC is not larger than the entire island of Manhattan.
No, I stated D.C. would have to add that many people to have the density of center city which isn't going to happen. Downtown D.C. is so enormous that it would take 400,000 people to have the density of center city. Go back and look. Downtown D.C. would have to add 5,000,000 people to have the density of friendship village/friendship heights in D.C. which is the most dense census designated place in the country at over 80,000 people per sq. mile. See how comparing area's of extremely different sizes is not relevant. You can't compare populations for downtown D.C. and center city Philly because the size differential is to great. Downtown D.C. is a different animal and only getting better in the future. Center city is great for Philly though and fits into the mainly row house city.
Allstar, come on that is basically a mid rise apartment/condo complex and a .06 sq mile (actually we should probably discuss in acres as that is more what that area is) footprint, fancy stat yes, and the complex is most definately your style, new and boring
Stop it, CC and DT on density are comparable even not the same size. You of all people who discuss small block areas and then throw this out there.
The Maryland Avenue Small Area Plan Draft has been released for the SW Downtown Government Complex in D.C. There are 4 components that the draft report addresses including land use, transit, connections, and the public realm. Here is a brief summary of each part:
Land use:
The draft report encourages a diversification of land uses for the corridor, which is currently dominated by office space. To that end, there are four Federally-owned parcels along Maryland Avenue that the GSA is considering for conveyance out of the Federal inventory. These parcels could then be redeveloped as mixed use sites, potentially with residential included in the mix. Zoning in the area can be changed to encourage residential development with Housing Credits, similar to the bonus density incentives used to increase housing downtown over the past 15 years. Other parcels along the Maryland Avenue corridor could also be redeveloped, including the GSA Regional Office Building at 7th & D Street, the Reporters Building (where Pizza Autentica is located), and two sites at The Portals (perhaps one could be luxury condos affiliated with the Mandarin Oriental Hotel next door with sweeping views of the Tidal Basin?). The draft report indicates at least 1,000 residential/hotel units need to be created in the area to justify the creation of more retail amenities.
Transit:
Connections between the L’Enfant Plaza Metro station and the L’Enfant commuter rail station should be improved. According to the draft report, about 20,000 riders use the Metro station each weekday and over 15,000 VRE riders use the commuter rail station. Future ridership estimates anticipate an increase over the next few years and the commuter rail station may need to expand to accommodate a possible extension of MARC train service to L’Enfant as well as the electrification of the rail line. After looking at three options to expand the commuter rail station, the report recommends the best option would be to build an extended platform in the vicinity of the current platform to accommodate four tracks and bi-level trains. The Reporters Building would eventually become an intermodal hub where VRE, MARC, Metro, Metrobus, and streetcar service would intersect.
Connections:
Three alternatives were considered for decking over Maryland Avenue: one creates a boulevard with a landscaped median along its length and a newly constructed 9th Street would connect Independence Avenue, Maryland Avenue, and D Street; a second would create a center roadway section from 12th to 10th Street with a ramp connection to D Street, while the area between 10th Street and Reservation 113 would become a linear park; option three would create a center roadway from 12th Street to Reservation 113 and create a square around it by shifting the railroad corridor to the south. The report prefers a center roadway section to a median because of its consistency along the centerline of Maryland Avenue, but also allows flexibility along the edges depending on what structure abuts the right-of-way. The approximate cost to re-establish Maryland Avenue would be $429M, including streetscape, railroad enclosure, commuter rail station improvements, connections to the street grid, and four-track railroad enhancements.
Public Realm:
Reservation 113 has the potential – if designed properly, to be a center piece for the neighborhood. Views to the Capitol should be maintained and Maryland Avenue’s significance as a L’Enfant diagonal street should be considered in its design; however, pedestrian-scale elements need to be considered as well. The tree canopy of the area needs to be enhanced and sidewalks designed for heavy pedestrian use. New buildings along the corridor should be oriented towards Maryland Avenue and Reservation 113 with the building facades meeting the edge of the right-of-way to create a defined street wall effect. Retail nodes should be created at 7th and 10th Streets with ceiling heights along the ground floor at these locations at a minimum of 14’. Sustainable infrastructure elements should be maintained throughout the corridor, including storm water filtration and collection, and piezoelectric generation along the rail corridor.
Development along the Maryland Avenue corridor can begin in the eastern end between 6th & 7th Streets, where the avenue already exists and improvements would take less time (and money) to implement. The Switzer Building modernization and greening, along with Federal Building 8, is breathing new life to the area. GSA Parcel 4 is located between 6th & 7th Streets and if conveyed, the parcel could be redeveloped into a use other than office to help change the perception of the area as an “office-only” destination. In addition, some improvements can be made to Reservation 113 to make the area more inviting. As the Southwest Waterfront redevelopment gets going and the future of the Department of Energy campus is determined, that will help spur activity on the western side of the Maryland Avenue corridor.
No. After finially visiting DC and wanting to see this DT that the posters here talk about...meh not even. Though not DT I did enjoy Admams Morgan (sp?) but no..no center city.
This will completely change the dynamic of D.C.'s southern downtown. Between this, the Wharf Waterfront Deveopment, Waterfront Station Development, Buzzard Point Development, and Capitol Riverfront, this forming downtown will be something to behold as all this starts to tie together.
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This will completely change the dynamic of D.C.'s southern downtown. Between this, the Wharf Waterfront Deveopment, Waterfront Station Development, Buzzard Point Development, and Capitol Riverfront, this forming downtown will be something to behold as all this starts to tie together.
Lol you lost. Quit it... Other posters from other cities are saying that it doesn't compete. We have one from Los Angeles, and one from New York and they say the same thing. Heck, even Los Angelins(or whatever it is) know that CC is WAY better then their downtown, but at the end of the say they still know as a city LA out does Philly (in stats), and has more vibrant areas outside their downtowns, am i right? My moms best friend moved here from LA, because she loved the history, and architecture. This is Philly's strong suit, and not so much D.C's. Because of all the governmental things going on there. In comparing downtown's, Philly wins. (even in comparing cities, lol!!!!!, but we'll save that for a another thread)
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