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Another thing Philly should do is get rid of all of those alleyways with restaurants, clubs, bars, apartments and firescapes. Instead, the city should widen its streets and sidewalks and put all of its restaurants right where they're clearly visible. K Street is the perfect example of this.
I also think it is hard to compare denisties because of how differently they are developed, honestly the street level feel in Philly to me feels more dense - the images below are from many different areas and perspectives of the Philly DT - there is just not this level of desnity in DC, at least compressed density
density | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ropergees/4647276922/ - broken link)
Philadelphia Density | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/friscocali/2393677397/ - broken link)
density piled upon itself... | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/damonabnormal/3849509529/ - broken link)
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This thread has gotten out of hand. We aren't even talking about the topic at hand. Everyone is talking about DC's current downtown comparing it to center city and this topic is suppose to be about the new downtown south of the national mall that will be bigger than center city by sq. miles yet will have a huge residential component and mixed use. It will have 3 waterfront plaza areas that add to its vibrancy.
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On a side note, the northern downtown DC has about 20 residential highrises about to be built or under construction and more restaurants open everyday. Vibrancy will be a different conversation in a few years. Whole swaths of the northern downtown are being turned into mixed use buildings so the office buildings only conversation will soon be coming to and end. The downtown population will grow by 500% by 2015-2016.
That would be awesome if it were true! But, I see no conceivable way to make that happen.
DC will no doubt see more residential growth than Philly over the next 4-5 years. But, were probably talking 2,000-3,000 new units (optimistically).
The old CC will be 600 or so. I believe there are maybe 600 under construction in Mt Vernon triangle. Foggy Bottom metro had a 300-350 unit project.
No doubt there will be a couple more by 2015-216, but 500% more??
Not sure what else is in the ground or getting ready to move?
Pretty good compared to the rest of the nation. But, from the DC blogs I follow it appears DT DC is growing, but not exploding.
NOMA is buildings 8,000 apartment/condo units alone lol. Mount Vernon just finished 5 towers with 4 more under construction. City Center breaks ground this spring. This is just to name a few projects. D.C. is predicted to grow from 601,000+ in 2010 to 651,000+ by 2015 and almost all the growth is downtown. You should check out DC Mud. Or near southeast. Almost all stalled projects right now will be done by 2015-2016. Don't forget area's that aren't in NOMA that break ground soon like the Sursum Cordas projects redevelopment and 6 vacant lots around it all slated for residential towers.
On a side note, the northern downtown DC has about 20 residential highrises about to be built or under construction and more restaurants open everyday. Vibrancy will be a different conversation in a few years. Whole swaths of the northern downtown are being turned into mixed use buildings so the office buildings only conversation will soon be coming to and end. The downtown population will grow by 500% by 2015-2016.
I really like DC and I think this would be great for the city; but Projections and Reality are two different things. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.
NOMA is buildings 8,000 apartment/condo units alone lol. Mount Vernon just finished 5 towers with 4 more under construction. City Center breaks ground this spring. This is just to name a few projects. D.C. is predicted to grow from 601,000+ in 2010 to 651,000+ by 2015 and almost all the growth is downtown.
well again even if the 50K are added to the area the overall density of the downtown would still be ~1/3rd that of Center City, so even if every single new resident is in that space it has quite a distance still to go to close the density vibrancy gap - but looks to be an improvement overall for DC
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