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Old 10-13-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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1. Freedom is a global issue

2. Maybe you are, but due to economic control, many arenít

The only sustainable model is one where egalitarian and cooperative aid are the basis of economic development, not personal profit for a few.

Many did fine during the monarchies in Europe and werenít slave, but there model wasnít sustainable. Conversely today having a corporate system where decentralized authoritarian forces push for lower wages in Hati to build goods for American consumers who are manipulated by mass marketing, excess production, and state intervention is not only antithetical to free values, but also destructive to the environment and will lead to less freedom for workers domestically.

Suggesting a better system that is being tried on a large scale all ready to improve the current should be considered openly, but the current practicing powers donít want to give that power up.
Thereís no evidence the current system doesnít work so another system isnít necessary.
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Old 10-13-2018, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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There’s no evidence the current system doesn’t work so another system isn’t necessary.
The current system is not sustainable, and for many people across the world, it is not working. The Davos elite may like it but the low wage Central Americans certainly don’t. And like I said, it’s not sustainable for the globe in the long term and it is not the best system available.

Finding ways to build a freer voluntary society that can give more people a say in their society and not leave massive wealth inequalities is natural.

Besides no system is permanent, they all age and fail over time, it is one of the great teachings of the Buddhist, temporal existence.

Look for a better system to improve humanity and the nature around us isoy natural. If other thought during the feudal era this is fine, the enlightenment would never be reached.
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Old 10-13-2018, 07:12 PM
 
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The current system is not sustainable, and for many people across the world, it is not working. The Davos elite may like it but the low wage Central Americans certainly donít. And like I said, itís not sustainable for the globe in the long term and it is not the best system available.

Finding ways to build a freer voluntary society that can give more people a say in their society and not leave massive wealth inequalities is natural.

Besides no system is permanent, they all age and fail over time, it is one of the great teachings of the Buddhist, temporal existence.

Look for a better system to improve humanity and the nature around us isoy natural. If other thought during the feudal era this is fine, the enlightenment would never be reached.
Youíre offering opinion as fact. It isnít.
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Old 10-13-2018, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You’re offering opinion as fact. It isn’t.
Then it is something you debate, it is not something that you right off since capitalism is great.

Capitalism has many serious flaws, and the system is deteriorating over time. Excess wealth is being further concentrated into the hands of a few, externalities are causing unneeded environmental damage, and capital that could be used to and feed the hungry is being thrown away. War and imperialism too are kept afloat by predatory capitalism.
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Old 10-13-2018, 07:32 PM
 
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Got any links to world powers in the last 300 years running such a system?
So, Winterfall, do you have any proof of your grand ideas working on planet Earth for a country that matters?
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Old 10-13-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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Then it is something you debate, it is not something that you right off since capitalism is great.

Capitalism has many serious flaws, and the system is deteriorating over time. Excess wealth is being further concentrated into the hands of a few, externalities are causing unneeded environmental damage, and capital that could be used to and feed the hungry is being thrown away. War and imperialism too are kept afloat by predatory capitalism.
In my opinion youíre wrong. Capitalism is evolving but is still the best model that exists. Successful people who are productive are accumulating wealth. Environmental issues and hunger issues arenít byproducts of capitalism since the same issues exist across all economies.

Also in my opinion, your thoughts may be taken more seriously if you learned proper grammar and spelling. Many will say thatís petty but anecdotally Iíve heard that bad grammar and spelling discredits a writer.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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In my opinion youíre wrong. Capitalism is evolving but is still the best model that exists. Successful people who are productive are accumulating wealth. Environmental issues and hunger issues arenít byproducts of capitalism since the same issues exist across all economies.

Also in my opinion, your thoughts may be taken more seriously if you learned proper grammar and spelling. Many will say thatís petty but anecdotally Iíve heard that bad grammar and spelling discredits a writer.
1. There is no evidence to suggest the richest are the most productive, if anything, the opposite is true. People who manage capital distribute an unfair percentage to themselves (as is natural if you give someone that power and they are not accountable to anyone). As for externalities, these issues are growing and are directly correlated with production capacity. When towns and communities all over the world avoid capitalism like in cooperatives or in anarchist communities, they are able to provide for everyone with far less resources. That is an inherent flaw with capitalism that isn't going away; one of many.

2. I type mainly on my phone and don't spell check anything. If I was writing a college essay, it would be different. Typos can happen often.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:10 PM
 
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1. There is no evidence to suggest the richest are the most productive, if anything, the opposite is true. People who manage capital distribute an unfair percentage to themselves (as is natural if you give someone that power and they are not accountable to anyone). As for externalities, these issues are growing and are directly correlated with production capacity. When towns and communities all over the world avoid capitalism like in cooperatives or in anarchist communities, they are able to provide for everyone with far less resources. That is an inherent flaw with capitalism that isn't going away; one of many.

2. I type mainly on my phone and don't spell check anything. If I was writing a college essay, it would be different. Typos can happen often.
1. Your opinion

2. Excuses, I type on a phone as well. If you care about what youíre saying you make sure youíre saying it properly.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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1. Your opinion

2. Excuses, I type on a phone as well. If you care about what youíre saying you make sure youíre saying it properly.
1. Backed by many cited facts and examples

2. Were there any grammatical errors in the post you were responding to?

Also, my longer posts are clear despite *some typos
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:33 PM
 
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1. Backed by many cited facts and examples

2. Were there any grammatical errors in the post you were responding to?

Also, my longer posts are clear despite *some typos
At this point Iíll just ďright you offĒ as another unemployed liberal arts graduate who thinks they can cure the worldís perceived problems by redistributing the wealth of others.
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