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John1960, propaganda is more effective when it can be taken for truth, which means it can't be exaggerated to the point of absurdity. If these are real stories, which I personally doubt, then do us the respect of linking us to your objective and unbiased sources.
Just to take your scenarios one by one, here is what would happen at the school at which I teach, which is fairly typical of many high schools in 2007.
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1960 - Vice principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his own shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lockdown, the FBI is called, Jack is hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again.
Counselors are called in to assist traumatized students and teachers.
Utter nonsense. If this was an innocent scenario and Jack had no prior discipline offenses, he would be suspended, yes. It's possible that he could be expelled if he had prior discipline offenses or a gang connection.
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies
2007 - Police are called, SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. They are charged with assault and both are expelled even though Johnny started it.
Again, still nonsense. Having observed -- and broken up -- more than one school fight, what happens is that both students are dragged into the Dean's office and witness statements are taken. Both students receive a three-day suspension, but if there are aggravating circumstances (e.g., a record of physical outbreaks) the student(s) might be suspended for a ten-day or transferred to special programs (basically, a school for repeat discipline problems where getting the GED is the big goal).
Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class and disrupts other students.
1960 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra state funding because Jeffrey has a disability.
Again, I still call bullpuckey. If it's not the teacher's failure to manage his/her class and is genuinely Jeffrey's issue, the teacher follows the school's progressive discipline plan, beginning with talking with the parents and ending with Jeffrey's being removed from class.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1960 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.
Are you actually advocating the idea that a whipping with a belt is a positive form of parenting?
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some Aspirin to school.
1960 - Mark shares Aspirin with the school principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug violations. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.
ABSURD. Students have aspirin all the time. They're supposed to give it to the nurse, who's supposed to dispense it to them, but of course none of them do. They just take it in the bathroom when they have a headache and no one gives a rat's caboose.
Scenario: Pedro fails high-school English.
1960 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist.USCivil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Really, this is genuinely making me chuckle. Having failed a number of students -- black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Christian, Jewish, Mormon, Philipino, female, male, lesbian, gay, and undecided (and various combinations of the above)-- what's happened is this:
They've taken summer school and passed or not passed.
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover Independence Day firecrackers, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.
1960 - Ants die.
2007 - Homeland Security and the FBI are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
In my neighborhood? Not hardly.
Scenario: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.
1960 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in federal prison. Johnny undergoes five years
of therapy.
Again, nonsense. Unless Mary's last name was "LeTourneau."
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Nice post, CharlesWallace, it is good to hear from you again! I could not agree more with everything you said and your 'LeTourneau' response made me fall off the sofa in laughter.
The only thing I could differ with you on is the asprin thing. Sadly, where I have worked, especially in one particular county, any medicine on a child is taken pretty seriously. I say sadly but, honestly, it is for the better. That is not to say they do not carry it and get away with it, but espeically with the increasing abuse of simple over the counter cold medicines, the schools are cracking down.
Now, no one is searching the advil-handler's car for weapons as the OP thinks, but the kid might be suspended.
In the '60's, students had more respect for parents. They had more respect for their schools and learning. There was something called "school spirit" which is missing in a lot of schools today.
In the '60's, there was far more discipline in the classroom. Teachers were able to teach more and not have to be babysitters.
In the '60's, if a child did not pass a course, they either retook the course or went to summer school - and/or held back.
In the '60's, those who were disruptive in school, were "farmed out" to what we sometimes referred to as "reform schools".
In the '60's, schools were able to enact and enforce dress codes for students which lessened many of the potential discipline problems of today -
How I wish we could go back to the '60's sometimes
I started school back in the mid-60s and admittedly our school was pretty old fashioned -- but I agree this was mostly true. And Good God, we lived in fear of being corrected by a teacher or even worse, going to the principal's office. Heck, we lined up and didn't even talk or cough when we were told.
The current ones can be accurate in the case of the gun. If any weapon is brought on school property, it is automatically put up for an expulsion hearing. No exceptions. We had a 2nd grader at my school who brought a swiss army knife on a key chain and was placed in alternative school (which always happens at the first expulsion hearing). He had never even had a phone call home before.
As for the Ritalin.....yes, there are too many kids who are overmedicated. We still have corporal punishment in my district, so that is a bit of a deterent, but it seems that the students who need it the most are the ones with the parents that won't allow it.
I started school back in the mid-60s and admittedly our school was pretty old fashioned -- but I agree this was mostly true. And Good God, we lived in fear of being corrected by a teacher or even worse, going to the principal's office. Heck, we lined up and didn't even talk or cough when we were told.
Absolutely! I think its a matter of respect for other people and authority that is missing with many school age children today. That fear of authority that we had back then was healthy in cultivating the respect needed to have a civil environment.
Wow, that list was hilarious. Oh how we forgot there were no school problems in the 60's kids did exactly what they were told. Kids these days are just soooo out of control and not being taught anything hahaha. Once I stopped laughing most of what was written was a bit if not a huge exaggeration. The only difference between the 60's and now is competition, diversity, and an overall significant change in the family structure.
Today if you compared the top high school students to the high school students in the 60's they would run circles around them academically without breaking a sweat. Most people did not go to college after high school in those days. Well, now most people do, because they need to keep up with the new standard of living.
I do not know how many times i hear people i work with that grew up in the 60's talking about how their 5th grader is doing math they did in 9th or 10th grade. Are students behaving worse than in the 60's i highly doubt it. Do we have better coverage of every last school in the country now a days as opposed to the 60's? Yes!
This is like someone raised in the early 1900's saying something to a child of the 60's haha "You know in my day children were much better behaved and work harder in school?"
I hear kids born during the 80's now saying the same thing about children born in the 2000's. It never ends. In another 50 years the children of the 80's, 90's, and 2000's will be complaining about the current ones.
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1960 - Vice principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his own shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lockdown, the FBI is called, Jack is hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again.
Counselors are called in to assist traumatized students and teachers.
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies
2007 - Police are called, SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. They are charged with assault and both are expelled even though Johnny started it.
Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class and disrupts other students.
1960 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra state funding because Jeffrey has a disability.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1960 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some Aspirin to school.
1960 - Mark shares Aspirin with the school principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug violations. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Pedro fails high-school English.
1960 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist.USCivil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover Independence Day firecrackers, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.
1960 - Ants die.
2007 - Homeland Security and the FBI are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.
1960 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in federal prison. Johnny undergoes five years
of therapy.
WOW!! My honey did all that. He used to get up at 5:00 am, slop hogs, kill a few rabbits and ride the bus to school. Get out of school, slop hogs and birth em' and take care of tractors and hit the fields. Winter time, he played, very dangerously. Meaning pulling a hog feeder lid behind the chevy pick up truck. When that broke they went to scoop shovels. Then they had to fix the fence that they broke while flying all around on the feeder lid. Did they get in trouble? NO. Why? Because the fence and livestock were their responsibilities. No harm, no foul. They rode horses just like in the Old West. This is enough to wanna make ya cry. You really got somethin here. Did I hear you say that there were any sports in those schools?? Keep on Keepin on p.s. I have a wonderful forward in my emails that takes you back to these good ole times. If you would like to see it, you'll have to tell me how. Sorry, I am not very savvy. Ok. LIVE LAUGH AND LOVE
WOW!! My honey did all that. He used to get up at 5:00 am, slop hogs, kill a few rabbits and ride the bus to school. Get out of school, slop hogs and birth em' and take care of tractors and hit the fields. Winter time, he played, very dangerously. Meaning pulling a hog feeder lid behind the chevy pick up truck. When that broke they went to scoop shovels. Then they had to fix the fence that they broke while flying all around on the feeder lid. Did they get in trouble? NO. Why? Because the fence and livestock were their responsibilities. No harm, no foul. They rode horses just like in the Old West. This is enough to wanna make ya cry. You really got somethin here. Did I hear you say that there were any sports in those schools?? Keep on Keepin on p.s. I have a wonderful forward in my emails that takes you back to these good ole times. If you would like to see it, you'll have to tell me how. Sorry, I am not very savvy. Ok. LIVE LAUGH AND LOVE
There were sports in the 1960's, sorry to burst your bubble. My mom went to high school in the 1960's, she was a cheerleader and sports were HUGE! Do you have to bring sports into every thread on here?
Well it just fell in there so nicely. I was curious, so I asked. What were you saying about my opinions? Hmmm. Oh well. I will continue where ever I see fit. > But thanks for the comment. LIVE LAUGH AND LOVE
Not really, this thread was about the difference between schools in the 1960's and now, sports then, sports today.
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Amen !!!!
p.s. I have a wonderful forward in my emails that takes you back to these good ole times. If you would like to see it, you'll have to tell me how. Sorry, I am not very savvy. Ok. LIVE LAUGH AND LOVE
