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Old 02-21-2016, 04:39 PM
 
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Evidence of a big change in the last four years?
They don't need evidence, they have confirmation bias.

 
Old 02-21-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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Evidence of a big change in the last four years?
Sure. I explained in this OP.

And this was repeated in Nevada yesterday. Democrat caucus turnout was 22% lower than it was in 2008.

Democrats in Serious Trouble, lost more than 135,000 voters in just 2 states.
 
Old 02-21-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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Sure. I explained in this OP.

And this was repeated in Nevada yesterday. Democrat caucus turnout was 22% lower than it was in 2008.

Democrats in Serious Trouble, lost more than 135,000 voters in just 2 states.
Let's talk about 2012.
 
Old 02-21-2016, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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In 2008, 43% of Whites voted for Obama & 67% voted for Obama. This means that McCain got 1 out of every 3 hispanic votes cast. This is not block voting.

In 2008 95% of Black voters voted for Obama. This is block voting.
Now comes the part where you explain how Trump gets 33% of the Latino vote. McCain was nowhere near as divisive as Trump.

It's a total pipe dream.
 
Old 02-21-2016, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Its not 75-80%. Its around 50%.
Blacks make up 70% of registered Democrats in Mississippi.

Obama wins Mississippi primary; Texas caucus win estimated - CNN.com

It is probably the same in Alabama and Louisiana since they had about the same share of Whites voting Republican (around 90%). It would be less in Georgia and South Carolina.

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As long as she has terrible support among young people in swing states (85% dont support her), while at the same time she isnt pulling blacks to the voting booths like Obama did, she has nowhere near the Obama coalition. She does terrible among independents too and has very low cross-over appeal and deeply negative net favorability ratings. Hillary is the candidate least able to bring enthusiasm and new voters into the political system. She is seen as dishonest and inauthentic and she really is a bad campaigner as well. She always loses support when she starts campaigning.
It doesn't matter that Clinton is losing young voters to a candidate that's more liberal than she is. That's to be expected. Those numbers won't look the same in a general election. Obama lost Hispanic voters to Clinton during the primary, but won them in the general election. He also won a lot of the PUMA voters who swore they would never vote for Obama after the way he "mistreated" Hillary in 2008. We saw how that worked out.
 
Old 02-21-2016, 04:56 PM
 
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By the way, weren't people on this forum saying that Blacks, Hispanics and young voters were disappointed with Obama back in 2012, and that they wouldn't turn out in the same numbers as they had in 2008?

Does anyone remember the "unskewed polls" website? Remember when people were saying the polls were "skewed" because they oversampled Democrats?

Some of these statements sound a lot like the ones people were making then.
 
Old 02-21-2016, 04:56 PM
 
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Let's talk about 2012.
Yes let's talk about it.

The hapless Romney was a bad candidate. Prime example of the establishment rigging election for a loser candidate.

Bill Clinton even acknowledged this. Said that Obama was hugely lucky the GOP nominated Romney. (actually Clinton's exact quote is too crude for CD)

But.... in 2010, 2012 & 2014, The GOP
  • Took control of the US House by historic margin.
  • Took control of the US Senate
  • Now hold the majority of governor seats
  • Now control a majority of state governments
  • Have cost the DNC more than 1000 seats across the USA.
These results speak for themselves. No reason to believe they won't lose the President's seat too.
 
Old 02-21-2016, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Yes let's talk about it.

The hapless Romney was a bad candidate. Prime example of the establishment rigging election for a loser candidate.

Bill Clinton even acknowledged this. Said that Obama was hugely lucky the GOP nominated Romney. (actually Clinton's exact quote is too crude for CD)

But.... in 2010, 2012 & 2014, The GOP
  • Took control of the US House by historic margin.
  • Took control of the US Senate
  • Now hold the majority of governor seats
  • Now control a majority of state governments
  • Have cost the DNC more than 1000 seats across the USA.
These results speak for themselves. No reason to believe they won't lose the President's seat too.
Democratic turnout is also lowest in non-Presidential election years...
 
Old 02-21-2016, 04:59 PM
 
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
Yes let's talk about it.

The hapless Romney was a bad candidate. Prime example of the establishment rigging election for a loser candidate.

Bill Clinton even acknowledged this. Said that Obama was hugely lucky the GOP nominated Romney. (actually Clinton's exact quote is too crude for CD)

But.... in 2010, 2012 & 2014, The GOP
  • Took control of the US House by historic margin.
  • Took control of the US Senate
  • Now hold the majority of governor seats
  • Now control a majority of state governments
  • Have cost the DNC more than 1000 seats across the USA.


These results speak for themselves.
Oh, no. Not this same old same old again because that does not address the Presidential election.

Let's talk about Romney's numbers in 2012. Let's talk about what portion of the minority vote he got and explain to me how Trump - the most divisive candidate EVER - is going to get more.

And no trottin' out that video of the two women either.
 
Old 02-21-2016, 05:01 PM
 
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Now comes the part where you explain how Trump gets 33% of the Latino vote. McCain was nowhere near as divisive as Trump.
It's you who claim that he won't. So your burden to prove.
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