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View Poll Results: Which Democrat Would have Best Chance at Beating Trump in 2020 for President?
Elizabeth Warren 19 17.12%
Jason Kander 6 5.41%
Tim Kaine 5 4.50%
Tim Ryan 5 4.50%
Keith Ellison 6 5.41%
other (explain) 70 63.06%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-18-2017, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Or a younger version of Bernie, who is yet to emerge.

Sanders motivated the Democratic base very strongly, and that motivation is something he encouraged. There could be an unknown out there right now who could rise to prominence as quickly as Bernie did, especially if Bernie endorsed him (or her).

It's pretty obvious that outsiders now have better chances at election than long-time party insiders in both parties. Both parties are sick and tired of business as usual, at the congressional deadlock, the inability to purge moneyed interests out of both parties, and a lot of other issues.

There's more similarity in both parties than most folks realize. Only the strategies for making massive change happen differ; the end result is pretty close to being the same.
The only issue with a younger version of Bernie that would emerge is the public's opinion of his principles.

"Socialism" is such a stigma and looked-down upon concept the justification for it is truly mindboggling. Every single other industralized country aside from us have a more socialistic society, and yet social indicators show they do better than us. My only worry is that the media plays off this fear and turns our own people against us who truly want to help and feeds into people's fear and anger.
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:45 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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The 1980's was the Al Franken decade. He's thirty years past his "prime".

Franken running for POTUS would be the same type of unfunny joke as that skit on SNL in 1979.


CN
Franken was mildly amusing when he was part of the Franken and Davis comedy team. But by himself he's about as funny as a wet dishrag.
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Old 03-18-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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he's also thinking of having jill stein as his running mate.

Franken-stein 2020!
lol!!!
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The only issue with a younger version of Bernie that would emerge is the public's opinion of his principles.

"Socialism" is such a stigma and looked-down upon concept the justification for it is truly mindboggling. Every single other industralized country aside from us have a more socialistic society, and yet social indicators show they do better than us. My only worry is that the media plays off this fear and turns our own people against us who truly want to help and feeds into people's fear and anger.
The thing to understand is Americans like their socialism a lot. They just don't like to admit to it.
Socialism is like religion; everyone claims to be good Christians, but nobody goes to church anymore. Try to take "In God We Trust" off our coinage and watch what happens.

Once Trump starts cutting the programs the citizens like the most and the pain sets in, the swing the other direction will be fast and ferocious. There's not enough left in the moderate middle to slow the swing to the other extreme.
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Old 03-18-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Madbury, NH
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Default Vote for billionaire class? Who does that? Oh yeah....

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Booker? That would be terrible. He's swimming in bribe money from all of the most powerful special interests in America. A vote for Booker is a vote for the billionaire class. And that means we'll get the preferred policies of the most powerful economic forces in America. Thats not what's needed when the American people are struggling.
I love this.....and Trump may not have received bribes, but he most certainly is pushing special interests. And a vote for the billionaire class? Who did that already......

Until we get corportate welfare out of Washington, and the special interests....they are really the ones dividing us. We have a lot we can agree on, and some that can be worked out. But, I can tell you corporations do not care about the average man......they just want your tax money for golden parachutes and double dipping profits.
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Old 03-18-2017, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I think Franken and Cuomo are good candidates. Also think there will be a good choice of Dems to choose from to run. By 2020, this country is going to be so very sick of conservatives dragging us backward, that there will be a push for progress.

Ya got Trump dragging us to the 50s, with his pollution and manufacturing, mines and stripping consumers and the middle class of financial protections. You've got Sessions and his idiotic drug wars dragging us back to the 80s. You've got Pence and his conservative christian 'values' dragging us back to god knows what. We'll be engaged in more military action and possibly wars, because we will have to use all those military toys that Trump is financing.

Millennials will be more engaged. There will be a much larger majority of mixed race marriages and kids. There will be way fewer old white guys yearning for the old days 50s, and women will have had it with the ultra conservative agenda. Americans will have to work very hard to catch up with the other countries passing us by.

Those predicting a second Trump term at age 74, or Pence if he is POTUS by then will be disappointed.
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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Nope. Not happening. Especially since your party is unwilling to change and is still running the same crap that has lost them over 1,000 seats since 2009, and will kill them in the mid-terms in 2018.

You lefties just hate Trump, which is why you oppose everything he does.
Don't take my word for it. Go look at the Realclearpolitics.com website. An average of ten public opinion polls shows Trump with an average job approval rating of about 44% and a disapproval rating of 50%.

That may not seem to mean much until you compare Trump with other Presidents. Its literally the lowest job approval rating any President has ever had within two months of taking office. Yeah, you heard me the lowest.

Don't claim it would have been this low no matter what. Trump has made a tough situation worse by his BS claims that Obama was wiretapping him, his desire to completely gut the ACA (despite the fact that polls say Americans don't want this), and by his inability to stop his tweets and shut up.

Come 2020, I question whether he will even run again.
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:21 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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Don't take my word for it. Go look at the Realclearpolitics.com website. An average of ten public opinion polls shows Trump with an average job approval rating of about 44% and a disapproval rating of 50%.

That may not seem to mean much until you compare Trump with other Presidents. Its literally the lowest job approval rating any President has ever had within two months of taking office. Yeah, you heard me the lowest.

Don't claim it would have been this low no matter what. Trump has made a tough situation worse by his BS claims that Obama was wiretapping him, his desire to completely gut the ACA (despite the fact that polls say Americans don't want this), and by his inability to stop his tweets and shut up.

Come 2020, I question whether he will even run again.
Yeah, we all heard the fake news.

Libs are the only ones still eating it up with a fork and spoon, maybe that's whats actually causing the weight gain for the lefties....... Too many munchies listening to their fake news while sitting on the porch waiting for the food stamp delivery.


CN
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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I'm sure white people will vote in masses after they hear his youtube speeches about what he has said about white people.
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:45 PM
 
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Yeah, we all heard the fake news.

Libs are the only ones still eating it up with a fork and spoon, maybe that's whats actually causing the weight gain for the lefties....... Too many munchies listening to their fake news while sitting on the porch waiting for the food stamp delivery.


CN
Its posts like this that cause me to believe that a discussion with a segment of Trump supporters is worthless. You can't accept scientifically conducted polls. You can't accept Trump is lying when even Republicans say he is. You live on a planet called "Trumpland" which is a fantasy of concocted myths and lies.

Mark my words, it may take a year or two, but its going to come crashing down and when it does the disillusionment among Trump's supporters will be immense.
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