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View Poll Results: Which Democrat Would have Best Chance at Beating Trump in 2020 for President?
Elizabeth Warren 19 17.12%
Jason Kander 6 5.41%
Tim Kaine 5 4.50%
Tim Ryan 5 4.50%
Keith Ellison 6 5.41%
other (explain) 70 63.06%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-18-2017, 06:47 PM
 
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Cuomo is really making a push to run. He is desperately trying to up his public profile at the expense of NYC citizens. The guy can't even erect a sign properly on the NY Thruway without the Federal government suing him for improper signage. He is the typical tax and spend blame everyone else for problems of his own making on everyone else. Just ask deBlasio how great Andy is.
How is Cuomo a "tax and spend" candidate when he capped property taxes in NYS?

I don't think Cuomo is right for the national stage, but let's not just make stuff up.
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:50 PM
 
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To speculate at this point does not make any sense. The Democratic Party is in such a mess they are chasing their tail. IMO there are no viable candidates that have emerged that would beat anyone. Booker? total phony and useless, Warren? a mouth that says nothing that makes sense. I hope someone begins a new party.
I'm a millennial, and it frustrates me that other millennials would rather create an offshoot party instead of just running in elections and taking over the Democratic party from within. Democratic party leadership will continue to be stodgy and out of touch because millennials insist on just complaining about the party rather than taking it over from the old guard.

Republicans do not have that problem. The Tea Party took over the party from within and now they run everything.
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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I think Franken and Cuomo are good candidates. Also think there will be a good choice of Dems to choose from to run. By 2020, this country is going to be so very sick of conservatives dragging us backward, that there will be a push for progress.

Ya got Trump dragging us to the 50s, with his pollution and manufacturing, mines and stripping consumers and the middle class of financial protections. You've got Sessions and his idiotic drug wars dragging us back to the 80s. You've got Pence and his conservative christian 'values' dragging us back to god knows what. We'll be engaged in more military action and possibly wars, because we will have to use all those military toys that Trump is financing.

Millennials will be more engaged. There will be a much larger majority of mixed race marriages and kids. There will be way fewer old white guys yearning for the old days 50s, and women will have had it with the ultra conservative agenda. Americans will have to work very hard to catch up with the other countries passing us by.

Those predicting a second Trump term at age 74, or Pence if he is POTUS by then will be disappointed.
You are still forgetting why Trump won.

The average American does not care about transgender bathrooms and oppose "special status" for illegals.

The average American wants a decent job so that they can support their family.

The Dem/socialist agenda is an archaic, backward notion of politics that has failed to deliver for the average American and has increased the ranks of those living in poverty. 2016 was a message- "progressive",far left politics is dead.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:53 AM
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Franken? PLEASE YES! Or Warren!

Gosh, that would be a landslide victory for the GOP.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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Donald Trump is probably the most hated President in over a century. This is the Democrats' time to start regrouping to take back Congress in 2018 and make Trump a one-term President in 2020. Democrats need to get over the 2016 election, get over Hillary Clinton, and start looking ahead. Democrats also know what works and what doesn't work. Obama and Sanders excited their base. Hillary Clinton was a big yawn and didn't have a lot of enthusiastic support. Democrats need to groom somebody of the Obama mold, who can unite the center and the left and get the vote out, to kick Donald Trump out in 2020. Barring some sort of miraculous and unlikely turnaround for Trump's Presidency, the 2020 election will b the Democrats' election to lose.

Democrats also have the opportunity here to nominate somebody who can win over some Republican voters who might be open to voting Democrats "just one time" to get rid of Trump. This largely depends on if Trump has serious primary competition in 2020 which is very possible. However, it's for this reason the Democrats shouldn't nominate somebody too far left. They need to nominate somebody center-left who can possibly also appeal to the center right, and do it in a charismatic energizing way.

Nominating Hillary again or somebody like her is a sure way to an 8-year Trump presidency.
I would say that they need to run somebody with "bro" tendencies. Most white guys (and many white women) out there, even if they don't really support Trump or Republican policies, can't stand liberals and SJW-types and will probably vote for Trump anyway or stay home unless they can connect with the Democrat candidate. A "bro" doesn't have to be a man, by the way - just somebody who understands "bro" culture. Trump gets this to a tee, although he might possibly take it too far. Obama sort of got it, and George W. Bush definitely got it. Hillary Clinton and her band of supporters were basically about as anti-bro as you could get, and they almost pulled it off.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Donald Trump is probably the most hated President in over a century. This is the Democrats' time to start regrouping to take back Congress in 2018 and make Trump a one-term President in 2020. Democrats need to get over the 2016 election, get over Hillary Clinton, and start looking ahead. Democrats also know what works and what doesn't work. Obama and Sanders excited their base. Hillary Clinton was a big yawn and didn't have a lot of enthusiastic support. Democrats need to groom somebody of the Obama mold, who can unite the center and the left and get the vote out, to kick Donald Trump out in 2020. Barring some sort of miraculous and unlikely turnaround for Trump's Presidency, the 2020 election will b the Democrats' election to lose.

Democrats also have the opportunity here to nominate somebody who can win over some Republican voters who might be open to voting Democrats "just one time" to get rid of Trump. This largely depends on if Trump has serious primary competition in 2020 which is very possible. However, it's for this reason the Democrats shouldn't nominate somebody too far left. They need to nominate somebody center-left who can possibly also appeal to the center right, and do it in a charismatic energizing way.

Nominating Hillary again or somebody like her is a sure way to an 8-year Trump presidency.
The problem is: How do you effectively campaign against someone like Trump? He literally tells lies left and right and cannot process information. He can't think critically nor have an actual debate/discussion without pulling off some crap like "It's going to be great, so great, just watch".

Hillary could have spent tons of hours having an in depth discussion on policy but most Americans would be turned off by it as most are too dumb to even wrap their head about anything technical. Meanwhile Hillary if she were talking about policy, would have been assaulted by the GOP left and right about being a "socialist" etc... and fear mongered by the GOP.

Being truthful and correct isn't enough to win the White House. Just look at what Fox did to Bernie. They freaked out over a "socialist" gaining momentum among millenials so then turned an entire generation (the boomers) against their kids saying they're entitled and are snowflakes for losing. However, we ALL know Bernie's policies would do the most good for the country.

The challenge is not the policies. The challenge is separating policies from ideology.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:38 PM
 
Location: 89434
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The only way Dems can save themselves is if they resurrect JFK.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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Someone trust worthy
Supports Israel
A common sense immigration policy while upholding the law
Doesn't use identity politics to divide
Pro free market with reasonable regulations
Supports taxes on things people use like roads and police and other practical things, not out of control social programs
A safety net for the most unfortunate.
Honors and takes care of our vets
Not a socialist or someone who panders to various leftist groups
Someone who'll protect freedom of speech and condems riots at universities because of a controversial or brash speaker
Appreciates and welcomes ideas from "the other side" to try and figure out what works
Conservation of natural resources but not an environmentalist fanatic

My 2 cents
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Old 03-21-2017, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Murphy, North Carolina
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Stop with the constant Trump bashing and take a look at reality - This is why you will not only keep losing, but will become irrelevant as a party.

None of your candidates in 2020 are going to win unless Trump gets caught molesting children (which he won't, because he doesn't do that), you will not re-take the senate next year, and it's your party's leadership and the behavior of supporters like you that are going to throw your party over the cliff to hell.

A lot of you have nothing positive about Trump - only negative. Now please try and tell me that you don't oppose everything he does just to oppose him.
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Serious question: are you a progressive (Sanders-like supporter)? I noticed a lot of my FB friends that are progressive feel the same. The DNC won't win anything outside of the East/West Coast if they run a progressive.
No, they won't win anything outside of the East/West coast if they keep doing what they've been doing which is putting up Corporate Democrats.

Jimmy Dore said it best.

Democrats would rather lose to a Republican, than win with a Progressive.

They are paid to lose. This is a one party nation until further notice.
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