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Old 01-07-2014, 08:18 AM
 
Location: So California
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Crisp clear 27 here right now.....
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Shaw.
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And to think I thought it was chilly here when I took out the trash a few moments ago.
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Yeah, you know weather is screwy when it's warmer in Denver than in Dallas (in the winter). Also, I believe it dipped below freezing in Mexico City.
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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B/C w/o the rocky mountains, the west of the U.S. would be different, that's the point! They can simulate this in climatology maps. So whether there is a place like that on earth doesn't really matter or not, if the rocky mountains were wiped off the face of the continent, then the gulf air would push further west.

And they are *blocked* generally entirely.
I think you have it a bit backwards. A bit more gulf air would penetrate westward on occasion without the Rockies but weather rarely moves from east to west. As soon as you west of the Gulf of Mexico, annual precipitation drops quickly, well before the start of the Rockies. True it does get even drier in some places west of the Rockies, but there isn't much of gulf moisture to begin with. The gulf air moisture that does reach is responsible for the thunderstorms near the base of the Rockies, however.



What the Rockies do is induce a wave pattern in the atmosphere, encouraging weather to come more from the northwest in the winter than just west. This makes winters east of the rockies colder. There were a few threads on the weather forum about this:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/weath...-than-w-2.html
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:23 PM
 
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Yeah, you know weather is screwy when it's warmer in Denver than in Dallas (in the winter). Also, I believe it dipped below freezing in Mexico City.
All 50 states went below freezing somewhere today. Even Hawaii, which went below freezing on a mountain. Fountains were freezing in Florida.

Definitely not normal.
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:35 PM
 
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All 50 states went below freezing somewhere today. Even Hawaii, which went below freezing on a mountain. Fountains were freezing in Florida.

Definitely not normal.
Yep. I live in Florida and it's very cold today, it's strange because it's very bright and sunny but so cold, especially the wind. Fortunatley by Friday it's supposed to be back in the 70s and 80s.

It's due to a Polar Vortex, which on occasional winters it can break off from the North Pole and sind cold weather throughout the areas it flies over. It's happened before in the past, just not at this level usually.
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:44 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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I think you have it a bit backwards. A bit more gulf air would penetrate westward on occasion without the Rockies but weather rarely moves from east to west. As soon as you west of the Gulf of Mexico, annual precipitation drops quickly, well before the start of the Rockies. True it does get even drier in some places west of the Rockies, but there isn't much of gulf moisture to begin with. The gulf air moisture that does reach is responsible for the thunderstorms near the base of the Rockies, however.



What the Rockies do is induce a wave pattern in the atmosphere, encouraging weather to come more from the northwest in the winter than just west. This makes winters east of the rockies colder. There were a few threads on the weather forum about this:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/weath...-than-w-2.html
But not all places East of the Rockies are colder than the West during the winter.
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:59 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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All 50 states went below freezing somewhere today. Even Hawaii, which went below freezing on a mountain. Fountains were freezing in Florida.

Definitely not normal.
That's normal for the highest elevations in Hawaii though. Mauna Kea and/or Mauna Loa always have snow on them in winter.

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Old 01-07-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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I think you have it a bit backwards. A bit more gulf air would penetrate westward on occasion without the Rockies but weather rarely moves from east to west. As soon as you west of the Gulf of Mexico, annual precipitation drops quickly, well before the start of the Rockies. True it does get even drier in some places west of the Rockies, but there isn't much of gulf moisture to begin with. The gulf air moisture that does reach is responsible for the thunderstorms near the base of the Rockies, however.



What the Rockies do is induce a wave pattern in the atmosphere, encouraging weather to come more from the northwest in the winter than just west. This makes winters east of the rockies colder. There were a few threads on the weather forum about this:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/weath...-than-w-2.html
Interesting, but I'm not talking about weather throughout the year, only when the mT front from the gulf is in place. And my only statement was that the Rockies block it from going farther to the west and would collide with other air systems. In times of a tropical storm system, this would get pushed even farther. The tropical easterlies are from 0 to 30 latitude.

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/gu...hurr/mvmt.rxml
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:36 PM
 
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Interesting, but I'm not talking about weather throughout the year, only when the mT front from the gulf is in place. And my only statement was that the Rockies block it from going farther to the west and would collide with other air systems. In times of a tropical storm system, this would get pushed even farther. The tropical easterlies are from 0 to 30 latitude.

Movement of Hurricanes: steered by the global winds

But even San Diego is at 32 degrees North.

What Nei said earlier, and what I tried to explain earlier still holds true (You seem to have it a bit backwards). Even if the Rocky Mountains and subsequent coast ranges were not in place, there would be little change to the weather on the West Coast.

There will be no giant hurriances, increased humditity, tornadoes. Nada, Zilch.

The only change would be in winter.
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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But even San Diego is at 32 degrees North.

What Nei said earlier, and what I tried to explain earlier still holds true (You seem to have it a bit backwards). Even if the Rocky Mountains and subsequent coast ranges were not in place, there would be little change to the weather on the West Coast.

There will be no giant hurriances, increased humditity, tornadoes. Nada, Zilch.

The only change would be in winter.
You are talking about the west coast, I'm talking about anywhere west of the rockies. I haven't said the west coast a single time.
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