To Circumcise or Not to Circumcise......that's the question! (death, doctor, billion)
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Uh you could also just get an HPV shot and avoid sleeping with lots of people, especially unprotected, in the first place.
The HPV shot is less effective than having a circumcised partner. It's only effective against 70% of the HPV out there and there are questions WRT efficacy and how long it is effective. It is for now unproven. We have to wait until the first crop of girls who got the shots at 15 turn 45 before we'll know if it made a hill of beans difference. We KNOW having a circumcised partner makes a difference.
And it doesn't matter how many partners I've had. That would be how many HE had as he is the carrier. He could be my one and only but if he carries the right strain, I pay the price. Europe is seeing an increase in deaths due to cervical cancer that is in proportion to the increased number of uncircumcised men. Women should be worth more than a flap of skin.
What I find amazing is how religions knew circumcision was a good thing so long ago without a single medical study.
In most of Europe only Muslims and Jews do it. Someone who was neither, but decided to circumcise his kid, would be weird. They tried to ban it in Germany altogether a couple years ago the reason being unnecessary bodily harm to minors, but the Jews and Muslims raised a huge stink, and the government caved in of course. But then of course traditions are different in America.
San Francisco tried to ban this too!
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Yes, I have. The single report on the subject from the CDC basically says if you are having sex with a lot of people who have AIDS, you have a higher risk of getting and transmitting AIDS if you are uncircumsized.
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that's because adult circumcised penises are like calloused and tough like a helmet.. this is the result of exposure vs uncircumcised. imagery may seem weird, but not joking..
No, it's actually because the foreskin contains a large number of Langerhans cells, which are targeted by the HIV virus.
What I find amazing is how religions knew circumcision was a good thing so long ago without a single medical study.
The oldest documented piece of evidence for circumcision is from ancient Egypt.
The description on this ancient Egyptian drawing showing a male genital cutting ceremony indicates that it was done as "a rite of passage to identity, gender, and power." That basically means that it was performed as a ritual.
In point of fact, the CDC is basing their opinion of a handful of studies done in Africa, the reliability of which is in question.
Those studies purport to show that a man is somewhat more likely to contract HIV from an infected woman.
Simple solution - avoid sex with multiple partners, strangers, prostitutes. Use a condom. Much easier, less invasive, and safer than having a circumcision - which doesn't protect you from getting HIV. Circumcised men STILL need to do all of the above, or wear a condom if they can't manage to control themselves enough to keep it in their pants.
Another "conclusion" is that an uncircumcised man may be at a slightly greater risk for contracting HPV, which may lead to that tiny tiny chance of getting penile cancer. Again, that has already been accounted for in the existing statistics - the risk of penile cancer due to HPV or other virii is vanishingly small. And - AGAIN - Keeping it in your pants or at least wearing a condom when you can't manage that is the recommended way to protect one's self, EVEN IF A MAN IS CIRCUMCISED.
ALSO - MEN CAN AND SHOULD BE VACCINATED FOR HPV. Again, easier, cheaper, safer than circumcision, and even circumcised men should have this done anyway.
SO - in all cases above - circumcision does not provide any real protection that isn't superseded by better methods such as KEEPING IT IN YOUR PANTS or at least wearing a condom if you can't manage that.
While I don't know about the poster to whom you were ranting - but in my case, yes, I DO know how girls react to his penis - because I asked. Specifically, not long ago, when we were on the subject of circumcision for other reasons. I asked if he had had any problems due to the fact that he had not been circumcised - and he laughed. "Of course not" - according to him - because most of his cohort are also not circumcised, and the girls whom he has dated were used to the appearance of both circumcised and uncircumcised penises in their dating. But apparently mostly uncircumcised, among college graduates.
The statistics show that better educated parents are less likely to have their sons circumcised, for 2 reasons - one is that they are more likely to be educated as to the risks and lack of benefits (and are able to research the facts and fallacies for themselves), but the other is that they are less likely to allow a medical professional of any sort to take an authoritative stance with them. "Because the doctor recommends" doesn't go over big with this group, not without evidence and an explanation. Less well-educated parents can be more easily manipulated and brow-beaten into doing something just because the doctor says.
Hence - at present, only 58% of young men in their late 20's/early 30's and younger are circumcised, as opposed to nearly 98% in the 50's. That number is dropping.
You're only half right - there is no compelling reason for female circumcision, and there is no compelling reason for male circumcision either.
There is no disease that a man will be exposed to UNLESS he insists on having frequent unsafe sex with questionable partners, without protection.
All it takes is a condom, a vaccination for HPV that everyone, male and female, ought to have, and - HEAVEN FORFEND! A little self-control.
Which is EXACTLY why no parent should ever consent to a medically unnecessary "prophylactic" circumcision, any more than they should consent to a prophylactic appendectomy.
Strawman.
Well being female its a bit difficult for me to actually PHYSICALLY "sack up", but in the metaphoric sense, that is EXACTLY what I did when I refused, despite whiny pressure from repressed nurses with weird religious agendas, to have my son circumcised. I encourage every parent to "sack up", as it were, and refuse this useless procedure.
Hmmm. Pot ... Kettle ... Black ... get my drift?
Well that's because there are no CREDIBLE studies that show any benefits that can't be had by doing things one ought to be doing anyway, regardless of the state of a man's foreskin.
BTW - according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, while some studies purport to show some small benefits, their position is that it STILL isn't worth it to automatically circumcise all male children - because those benefits are small and (I repeat) there are better ways to get more and better benefits by doing things all men need to do EVEN if they are circumcised.
So - there is actually no real support from science OR medicine for the idea that prophylactic circumcision has any real benefits.
Well - I think this has already been covered above - but MY son has said that - in the course of a conversation about circumcision. Its not like either of us brings up the subject at the drop of a hat - but in the course of a conversation, why SHOULDN'T a man discuss the subject of circumcision in the presence of the parent who saved him from having it done when he was young and helpless?
LOL!
There are NOT clear benefits.
The studies to which you continually refer don't show what you think they show, many were done in Africa under less than ideal circumstances in an environment that is completely different - for instance, female circumcision leads to a higher female-to-male HIV infection rate, which is a factor that is largely absent in the USA.
In the face of that risk factor, any additional risk factor presumed to be due to the state of a man's foreskin is minor.
And remember - circumcised or not - the recommended ways to reduce the risk of AIDS is (1) DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE SEX PARTNERS and (2) if you can't manage that, WEAR A CONDOM. Circumcision has nothing to do with it.
That's the real world. It doesn't matter whether or not a man is circumcised - every risk factor these studies purport to attribute to an intact foreskin is better taken care of by WEARING A CONDOM and NOT SLEEPING AROUND. Oh, and getting the HPV vaccine.
Its that simple.
Ha! Nope. Extremely educated here, researched circumcision very thoroughly and we decided it was the right decision for our sons. Each son had the procedure performed by different doctors in two different establishments and BOTH discussed the process in detail AND EMPHASIZED that the procedure was elective and not once tried to persuade us either way.
Just because a person has a degree does not mean they are smart enough to get past the junk science and scare tactics used by internet bloggers. If that were true, we would not be seeing a drop in vaccination rates, which are occurring in two segments of society: the overly religious conservatives, and educated high income liberals. The first group makes sense, they were probably brought up that way (my grandmother didn't believe in doctors and prayed for God to heal sickness), but if the second group is so smart, why are they so easily fooled by nonsense like 'Natural News?' Secondly, as many people have pointed out, people in the south are less likely to circumcise (lower rate of advanced education) where people in the north and Midwest are more likely to circumcise (higher rates of advanced education). One could very easily argue that the drop in circumcision rates is due to lesser educated conservatives and higher educated liberals dupped by fear mongering just like the drop in vaccine rates.
Rates also dropped when insurance stopped covering it, so many people may WANT to, but can't afford to.
***mention of vaccines is not intended to spark vaccine conversation; intended as a comparison only***
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Hmmm...does the local anesthesia last several days? I know when I have cut my finger it hurts for a few days.
1. Your finger isn't a penis.
2. Ibuprofen.
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Originally Posted by GiGi603
Have you ever been present for it?
Yes, I was circumcised as an infant.
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I am sure the baby loves to be strapped down. Pretty damn frightening.
I've never heard of a baby being strapped down, but even if that is done in certain circumstances, it's no more frightening than what the baby experiences during birth. But this discussion is purely academic, as nobody has any conscious recollection of their first year of life.
Speak for yourself! Apparently the women you talk to are ill-bred, uninformed, and parochial in their attitudes. BTW, one advantage for guys is there's no need to use hand lotion or whatever for self-pleasuring. Just thought I'd throw that out there....
Silly rabbit, all guys know you don't need anything but a hand.
It would be NOTHING like getting your ears pierced..Hahahaahaaha It has NOTHING to do with ED( you got that off intactnews )hahahaha..just another wackjob blog taken as fact..BTW Kelloge was not the first to push this hahahaah some of you people need to read more post less and make up fewer facts .. Less sensitive? is that an issue? The dang thing can get hard if the wind blows Hahahaha Male Erection is as much mental as physical.. FACT Testosterone diminishes in production after about age 40.. More Facts LESS EMOTION/DRAMA.. If you are active, being cut makes keeping it clean easier..
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