To Circumcise or Not to Circumcise......that's the question! (Indiana, border, dollars)
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I wouldn't make the choice to circumcise, even though I am.. Simply because I can pass the decision on to him. I can't glue it back on, so.. The only option to give him a choice is to leave him uncircumcised.
However.. I have a real problem with so called 'intactivists' and, honestly, I didn't realize the pro-circ crowd was as vocal as them until reading through this topic.
What is right for you and your family is the right decision. Whichever side that falls on.
People sticking their noses into someone else's business is not right. Parents make the best decisions they know how for their children. What they choose to do that is legal to do is not my business.
Not necessarily so in my opinion.
Science should determine whether a procedure like this should or should not be recommended or done. (it seems inconclusive at this point based on all the research i've done. some pros. some cons.). "what is right for me and my family is NOT necessarily the right decision. whichever side that falls on". It's like saying "what is right for me and my family with regards to get my newborn vaccinated is the right decision. whichever side that falls on". Science has proven the absolute and overwhelming benefits (over the cons) of getting vaccinated, and therefore, if i choose 'not' to get my child vaccinated, although it may in some cases be legal, is NOT the right choice. anyway, i just wanted to show that comparison and make that point. Cheers
As I stated before, my son with Down syndrome has managed his without issue. He functions at the pre-school level.
Yes, but what the neighbors, Aunt Bessie, Grandpa or the boy's in the locker room would think far outweighs the horror. It is about what others will think. It wouldn't only be the cutting it off but having what acidic urine would feel like, the wetness of the diaper against it. The rubbing of the diaper against that cut.
It is a choice but we can tell that people think that choice should be taken away because of the brainwashing they have went through. It was a money maker for the hospital, quick and easy. Now that insurance companies are making their own "cuts" to services, you'll find it isn't so necessary anymore.
I always think it is funny when someone quotes the CDC or medical establishment. FAR too many times, they have changed their minds midstream and they are after all in the business of selling services. Plus, anything that has been taking place for a long time, realizing the legal implications, they just kind of shuffle and stutter.
I am sorry I let it be done to my first son. His father said it was the thing to do. I think it was good that we adopted our other son at 4 weeks because we were making a much more conscious decision and I had come to know and love this baby having contact him where as the other was cut well before I had spent much time with him and after childbirth and it wasn't an easy one, I was just too exhausted to explore my options and also just young and ignorant about the reality.
We practice homeopathic medicine and it has been awesome!
When it comes to scientific, I don't think you'll find hard cold facts at least not for a few years yet. That has to do with it being recommended so they'll stay on their soapbox to make sure they don't end up liable for any stupidity on their part - the medical establishment that pushed it for $$$$$$$$.
Let's get to the truth of the matter.. It is done by Jews, and lots of working class protestants, the midwest Methodists. In other parts of the country, ie California, Florida and Texas, a young man in his highschool locker room will be amongst a majority who is NOT circumcised.. It depends on your geography which is often times defined by religion.
Circumcision desensitizes men, and was originally a practice in Judaism to "purify" a man, sexually.. This practice was created during biblical times, when there was widespread sexuality, infidelity and rape. This practice has carried over into modern times, but lest not forget the true reason it began was to calm down the men from boinking everything they laid eyes on.
Viagra sales are highest in the Midwest, coincidence? No. Men are much more likely to have erectile dysfunctions if they are circumcised. This is fact. The man's foreskin contains a high concentration of nerve endings.
Not necessarily so in my opinion.
Science should determine whether a procedure like this should or should not be recommended or done. (it seems inconclusive at this point based on all the research i've done. some pros. some cons.). "what is right for me and my family is NOT necessarily the right decision. whichever side that falls on". It's like saying "what is right for me and my family with regards to get my newborn vaccinated is the right decision. whichever side that falls on". Science has proven the absolute and overwhelming benefits (over the cons) of getting vaccinated, and therefore, if i choose 'not' to get my child vaccinated, although it may in some cases be legal, is NOT the right choice. anyway, i just wanted to show that comparison and make that point. Cheers
Men who are circumcised have higher probability of erectile dysfunction via rapid desensitization after puberty and into adulthood.
To me, that seems an OVERWHELMING reason not to.
People talk about how they think circumcized penises are more attractive, I think that small labia are more attractive but I would never tell a woman to get a labiaplasty. I would get hell for that, deservedly.[b] It's one of the many double standards that exist in favor of women/B].
Maybe you should reconsider that statement....
Do you realize the kind of maintenance woman are pressured to maintain due to the desires of men and society? Particularly since widespread internet porn has produced a generation of men that have very skewed opinions about how women should look?
We already had to shave our legs and underarms. Now we are asked to remove every stray hair from our bodies. Shave legs and arms, shave or tear off hair in our crotch around all our privates (painful!!), shave every stray hair on our body, pluck our eyebrows, bleach or wax our face, dye our hair if any sign of grey, wear bras and shapewear and hose and heels, wear make-up...... Do you have any idea how much time and money this takes for the typical woman?!?!
And yes, women DO get boob jobs, and labiaplasties and more..... based on the preferences of many men.
Men are not subtle. You make your preferences VERY clear.
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Mutilation of a body part, like the penis, is a very old tribal tradition from a long, long time ago. And now we continue doing it with the aid of modern medicine, for a variety of reasons. And, as we can see by it's proponents, it is rationalized as though it should be the norm for everyone, regardless of whether a medical emergency exists or not. They seem to believe that it should be accepted as the norm for all males.
Here is the female version, another "old social custom." Look at this link, but a Warning..... it is not pretty!
It's been a couple years since I researched this, so I don't remember my exact sources, but after much research and discussion, we decided to circumcise. It was a HARD decision, but one I don't regret for a second. I read many articles about it, but since the science is pretty evenly divided, we based our decision on what most men seem to prefer and that is to be circumcised. I never encountered a comment from a circumcised man that wished he wasn't, but I came across many comments from men who weren't and wished they were. Also, as the above post points out, if the case were to arise that my grown son were to need to be circumcised for medical reasons, it is incredibly painful and a much more physiologically impacting event as an adult and I would feel guilty for putting them in that position when it could have been easily prevented by a simple procedure at birth. My sons were days old when they had their procedures and were hardly affected. I don't think they even knew anything even happened to them. It's very quick and pain meds to the area make it very uneventful.
That said I don't think anyone should do it just because they think everyone else is doing it. Though rare, there are a few risks and it's always best to be fully informed of how the procedure is done (there are couple different methods) and what to expect immediately after and the week of healing that follows.
Really? They weren't bothered by it? Have you ever watched a video of it? I have 4 sons all cut because I was stupid and followed the pack. I watched less than a minute of a video after my last was born and cried my eyes out. I regret getting them circumcised. It's their body and should be their choice...just like piercing a baby girl's ears.
Babies have died during circumcision. Do you know that the person who first pushed circumcision was Kellogg? Yeah, the cereal guy. Look it up. It was a means to decrease pleasure to try to keep boys from masterbating.
Just so you know, more and more males even in the States are ended up UNcut and this isn't even an issue in other countries. They all think we're crazy to "lob part of the knob" off.
Men who are whole have less chance of suffering from erectile dysfunction later in life.
So you'd rather cut a boy's foreskin off just in case they get an infection later in life? What do you think we should do about all the UTI's some women get?
As I stated before, my son with Down syndrome has managed his without issue. He functions at the pre-school level.
Yes, but what the neighbors, Aunt Bessie, Grandpa or the boy's in the locker room would think far outweighs the horror. It is about what others will think.It wouldn't only be the cutting it off but having what acidic urine would feel like, the wetness of the diaper against it. The rubbing of the diaper against that cut.
It is a choice but we can tell that people think that choice should be taken away because of the brainwashing they have went through. It was a money maker for the hospital, quick and easy. Now that insurance companies are making their own "cuts" to services, you'll find it isn't so necessary anymore.
I always think it is funny when someone quotes the CDC or medical establishment. FAR too many times, they have changed their minds midstream and they are after all in the business of selling services. Plus, anything that has been taking place for a long time, realizing the legal implications, they just kind of shuffle and stutter.
I am sorry I let it be done to my first son. His father said it was the thing to do. I think it was good that we adopted our other son at 4 weeks because we were making a much more conscious decision and I had come to know and love this baby having contact him where as the other was cut well before I had spent much time with him and after childbirth and it wasn't an easy one, I was just too exhausted to explore my options and also just young and ignorant about the reality.
We practice homeopathic medicine and it has been awesome!
When it comes to scientific, I don't think you'll find hard cold facts at least not for a few years yet. That has to do with it being recommended so they'll stay on their soapbox to make sure they don't end up liable for any stupidity on their part - the medical establishment that pushed it for $$$$$$$$.
If you protect the wound with the proper amount of Vaseline, this is not an issue at all. I always put a huge mountain of that stuff on there at each diaper change. It keeps the penis from sticking to and touching the diaper and wicks urime away.
Last edited by Pennies4Penny; 04-15-2015 at 09:27 AM..
A grown man's penis is also more developed than a newborn's. My first son's was done at the pediatrician's office. He cried when they carried him away and I could here him a few rooms over. After a few minutes he was quiet. They brought him back to me about 20 minutes later. He was fine. Both my boys never expressed pain or showed discomfort during their week of recovery. Never cried while urinating or anything. They were unaware.
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Really? They weren't bothered by it? Have you ever watched a video of it? I have 4 sons all cut because I was stupid and followed the pack. I watched less than a minute of a video after my last was born and cried my eyes out. I regret getting them circumcised. It's their body and should be their choice...just like piercing a baby girl's ears.
Babies have died during circumcision. Do you know that the person who first pushed circumcision was Kellogg? Yeah, the cereal guy. Look it up. It was a means to decrease pleasure to try to keep boys from masterbating.
Just so you know, more and more males even in the States are ended up UNcut and this isn't even an issue in other countries. They all think we're crazy to "lob part of the knob" off.
Men who are whole have less chance of suffering from erectile dysfunction later in life.
So you'd rather cut a boy's foreskin off just in case they get an infection later in life? What do you think we should do about all the UTI's some women get?
If you read above, I describe my experience with my first son. He didn't cry during procedure. He was numbed. He was fine.
I researched this thoroughly and I know the rates are declining and it is about 50/50 now. I already mentioned this in my first post. While more people are choosing to opt out, now that it is not covered by insurance, people who can't afford it are forced to opt out.
UTI's are just one of the many reasons to get circumcised. This thread has several posts about grown men who've had to be circumcised due to infections and how traumatic and painful it is. As an infant the procedure takes 5 minutes, as an adult it takes over an hour.
I believe this to be in the best interest of my sons and I do not regret it for a second. I did not "follow the pack" I made an informed decision that I did not take lightly. If you don't wish to circumcise, then don't.
I saw my first circumcision done in the hospital when I was in medical school.
It was brutal.
No anesthetic. No pain relief. The poor infant SCREAMED and screamed. Such a tiny baby and screaming like I had never heard before. It seemed like cruel torture. I actually started to cry and was horribly upset. The doctor doing it couldn't care less (and didn't notice me), was talking with her assistant the entire time about something unrelated .... ignored the baby and didn't try to sooth him at all.
All I could think of was.... does the mother have ANY idea what just happened to her baby? How he suffered?
I swore I would never circumcise my child.
But I never had children, so a non issue.
On the complete opposite side of the spectrum, I know an elderly man who just had a circumcision in his 70's because he was getting many urinary tract infections. He was having difficulty managing the hygiene, and this was contributing to infections. Do you know how they do a circumcision for an adult? General anesthesia or a combination of a local nerve block AND intravenous sedation.
They do all that for an adult to treat their pain, and yet they let a baby scream and scream and scream.... knowing a baby can't talk to tell anyone later to complain and report what torture just happened to them.
This is a personal choice for all parents, but make SURE you ask your doctors exactly what will be done for the pain and comfort of your baby. If you don't, then you should ask to be present for the procedure.
Some doctors will tell you that a baby's nerves aren't as fully developed so they don't feel pain like we do. My daughter had to have hernia repairs when she was three months old, and the surgeon told me she didn't need anything more than Tylenol for pain relief after the surgery because the nerves hadn't developed yet.
Some doctors will tell you that a baby's nerves aren't as fully developed so they don't feel pain like we do. My daughter had to have hernia repairs when she was three months old, and the surgeon told me she didn't need anything more than Tylenol for pain relief after the surgery because the nerves hadn't developed yet.
Try pinching a baby, and see if they cry. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
One of my daughters had surgery at age 15 months. We spent several nights on the surgery ward while she recovered. The sounds of children screaming and crying were AWFUL. Anyone who thinks babies "don't feel pain" is an idiot. The thought of making babies suffer due to ignorance is infuriating It literally makes me sick to my stomach to think about it.
Of course they feel pain.
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Cheers 
It wouldn't only be the cutting it off but having what acidic urine would feel like, the wetness of the diaper against it. The rubbing of the diaper against that cut.
It literally makes me sick to my stomach to think about it.
