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One gendered difference that I am aware of, is that it is far more common for men to negotiate their salaries and raises, than for women. So setting aside all of the very valid points you make here, you could also have a man and a woman as candidates who are equal in every way and apply for the same job and are presented with offers, and the male candidate is a lot more likely to try and bargain his offer up for better pay, and the woman is far more likely to just take what she is offered and not argue. That is a result of socialization, which is not really the same as discrimination.
Kind of like, how I have noticed, that most of the time if there is a person in a group who constantly interrupts and talks over other people, it is usually a man. I am not saying that all or most men do this. Only that women are more commonly socialized to wait for others to finish, and not to interrupt, and not to be rude or demanding, and boys are more commonly forgiven this behavior and allowed or even encouraged to be more socially assertive.
Studies have shown, though, when women negotiate for salary, they're not taken as seriously as men, and aren't considered as qualified or deserving of the salary they're aiming for.
I wonder why boys would be forgiven rude behavior. I agree it happens, or is tolerated, whereas it's not in girls, but why? Rude is rude. Boys who are allowed to be rude grow into rude men. Parents who allow that aren't doing anyone any favors, least of all the society that has to put up with the windbags who dominate conversations and interrupt people.
Certainly no one who is technical misses it. Science & engineering are rigorous, difficult objective disciplines -- they are hard. That is in stark contrast to subjective (that is, decidedly non-objective), squishy "disciplines" such as gender studies and sociology which objectively lack academic rigor. I argue they do not belong in the academy in the first place and their genesis has little to do with the advancement of the body of human knowledge.
It is decidedly disingenuous, don't you think, for people to take the easy path of non-objective, squishy Gender Studies or African American Studies and then complain that 20 years hence their compensation is less than that of CPU Architect?
Just a little anecdote that I still consider interesting from my own life. As an undergraduate psych major my minor was in statistics and my area of concentration in human physiology. I was taking my anatomy and physiology course and aced the first lab test. The instructor came around and said it was a pity I was in the nursing program and that I should consider pre-med. Imagine the look on his face when I told him I was a lowly, flaky psych major! Priceless! ...I did go on to get an A in the class.
I wonder why boys would be forgiven rude behavior. I agree it happens, or is tolerated, whereas it's not in girls, but why? Rude is rude. Boys who are allowed to be rude grow into rude men. Parents who allow that aren't doing anyone any favors, least of all the society that has to put up with the windbags who dominate conversations and interrupt people.
Wait, but are they? The arrogant, rude jock stereotype is pretty common in our society and it certainly isn't celebrated
As for dominating conversations, I don't really understand this either- In a professional environment women tend to lose a lot of privilege that they are just generally used to having all the time. Since most aren't able to recognize their privileges they see it as discrimination when in reality it's not.
Wait, but are they? The arrogant, rude jock stereotype is pretty common in our society and it certainly isn't celebrated
As for dominating conversations, I don't really understand this either- I think in a business environment women tend to lose a lot of their privilege that they are just generally used to having all the time. Since most aren't able to recognize their privileges they see it as discrimination when in reality it's not.
You can see the difference very clearly if you watched the hearings recently of Sessions and others. Even though many of the Democrats were being hard in their questioning, McCain only interrupted and "corrected" the one woman senator, twice. What was normal for male behavior became "rude" behavior only when a (black) female behaved the same.
I have seen videos where they have observed this at work in school classrooms, where little boys call out answers and are praised, and little girls who do the same are admonished to raise their hand and wait their turn. Its not even conscious, and teachers who were shown the videos of themselves were shocked and hadn't even realized how they had treated them differently.
That's the thing, this is not normally overt discrimination, but subtle.
You can see the difference very clearly if you watched the hearings recently of Sessions and others. Even though many of the Democrats were being hard in their questioning, McCain only interrupted and "corrected" the one woman senator, twice. What was normal for male behavior became "rude" behavior only when a (black) female behaved the same.
I have seen videos where they have observed this at work in school classrooms, where little boys call out answers and are praised, and little girls who do the same are admonished to raise their hand and wait their turn. Its not even conscious, and teachers who were shown the videos of themselves were shocked and hadn't even realized how they had treated them differently.
That's the thing, this is not normally overt discrimination, but subtle.
Girls get better grades and boys are disciplined far more often. Why does no one care about that inequality? That's not even subtle..it's common knowledge.
Why do so many universities claim to promote gender equality and yet they have a women's studies major but no men's studies major? Is this not a form of gender discrimination?
University, smuniversity! We got the sports page and porn, why ruin things.
Rights and social justice? pfttt. who cares- We've got cellphones,Netflix and beer.
And how is society not being fair to you?
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I'm not going to summarize this whole thread for you
You don't have to have your individual rights taken away to recognize troublesome patterns. Like the example I just brought up- Girls get better grades and are disciplined far less often than boys. Why does no one care about that? It has nothing to do with me but I can still acknowledge it.
I'm not going to summarize this whole thread for you
You don't have to have your individual rights taken away to recognize troublesome patterns. Like the example I just brought up- Girls get better grades and are disciplined far less often than boys. Why does no one care about that? It has nothing to do with me but I can still acknowledge it.
Can you answer the same question for yourself?
I can ask the same question of why certain races are treated different by law enforcement and the legal system. Answer that as well.
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