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Old 10-11-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
The original Gardasil protected against the two strains that cause 70% of cancers. Gardasil 9 protects against 90% of HPV associated cancers.




I am happy that he did well, but many do not. Have you asked him if he would have rather taken the vaccine if it had been available when he was a child rather than have to go through the treatment that he did?



We do not know why some people are able to clear the virus and some are not. It is not as simple as a "bad immune system."



Many people who have "bad years" do not get cancer. It is natural to look for a reason when you get cancer, but the most likely reason your DH's cancer showed up when it did is because he hit the age when that cancer is most common.



Mr. Douglas was indeed treated for his cancer. Here's what he has to say about it.

Michael Douglas Shares His Experience With Stage IV Oropharyngeal Cancer - The ASCO Post




Millions of people have been vaccinated against HPV worldwide with no serious complications and no side effects worse than a sore arm.



Being vaccinated does not make your immune system less strong.
I have to get my grandson to kindergarten and run errands. I'm interested to read what Douglas had to say because back when he was fighting and a few years after he was very quiet about his fight; wouldn't discuss it. I'm glad he finally spoke up. He should have done so when he was fighting.

 
Old 10-11-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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There have been serious side effects with the HPV vaccine beyond “sore arms”.

The link is from 2013.
As of 12/31/2015 there had been 123 claims compensated for HPV vaccines out of 89,696,704 doses distributed in the US since 1/1/2006. That is a risk of 1.3 in a million doses, spread over ten years.

The table does not identify what the compensation was for.

https://hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation...s_09_05_17.pdf

Cervical cancer alone kills 2.4 per 100,000 US women per year. That is 24 per million.

https://report.nih.gov/nihfactsheets...t.aspx?csid=76

There are over 40,000 HPV associated cancers annually in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/...a2.htm#T1_down

It's disingenuous to talk about the risk of the vaccine without admitting that the risk of the diseases it prevents is much higher.
 
Old 10-11-2018, 10:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
As of 12/31/2015 there had been 123 claims compensated for HPV vaccines out of 89,696,704 doses distributed in the US since 1/1/2006. That is a risk of 1.3 in a million doses, spread over ten years.

The table does not identify what the compensation was for.

https://hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation...s_09_05_17.pdf

Cervical cancer alone kills 2.4 per 100,000 US women per year. That is 24 per million.

https://report.nih.gov/nihfactsheets...t.aspx?csid=76


There are over 40,000 HPV associated cancers annually in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/...a2.htm#T1_down

It's disingenuous to talk about the risk of the vaccine without admitting that the risk of the diseases it prevents is much higher.
So obviously side effects can be more then just a sore arm as you previously asserted. It’s disingenuous to pretend that their are no side effects beyond a sore arm when there are.

Cervical cancer kills 4,200 women in the US per year. 12, 200 women are diagnosed each year in the US. Rates would be lower is all women had access to cervical cancer screening.

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In certain populations and geographic areas of the United States, cervical cancer incidence and death rates are still high, due in large part to limited access to cervical cancer screening.
From your link.
 
Old 10-11-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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No skin off my nose, either.

But I think it's peculiar that all vaccines except the ones you've had are, in your view, either useless or dangerous and "being pushed by the pro vaccine crowd." But the ones you approve of are life savers.

I know a guy who got tetanus when he slid into base and skinned his knee during a softball game. He recovered well with antibiotics. You might want to think about foregoing that one, too.
Whats your problem? You are free to have any vaccine you choose! I dont choose to. Just because you dont like those of us who stay healthy without relying on most vaccines, so what? Whats it to you? Its my life not yours.
 
Old 10-11-2018, 11:33 AM
 
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I found this to be interesting.
https://report.nih.gov/nihfactsheets...t.aspx?csid=76

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Carrageenan, a compound that is extracted from a type of seaweed, has been found to inhibit HPV infection in laboratory studies. This compound, a type of sulfated polysaccharide, is used widely as a food additive and in many other products. Clinical trials are under way to test whether a topical microbicide that contains carrageenan can prevent genital HPV infection.
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You can buy lube with carrageenan already. I wonder what further research will say about this?
 
Old 10-11-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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There have been serious side effects with the HPV vaccine beyond “sore arms”.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...-compensating/

The link is from 2013.
Do you have the actual VAERS reports from this link? See this. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/on-gardasil/
 
Old 10-11-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Do you have the actual VAERS reports from this link? See this. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/on-gardasil/
Can you find Vaccine injury settlements reports? If so, point me in that direction. For now, this is what can be found.

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Old 10-11-2018, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Can you find Vaccine injury settlements reports? If so, point me in that direction. For now, this is what can be found.
Your assertion, your responsibility to document. "Judicial Watch" is a conservative organization that is anti-vaccine, among other things.
 
Old 10-11-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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Your assertion, your responsibility to document. "Judicial Watch" is a conservative organization that is anti-vaccine, among other things.
There isn’t a lot of transparency in terms of outcomes of cases so it’s not something I can easily find. Why do you think they make it difficult to get such information? I’m going to believe that this report is true unless someone show me otherwise.

ETA. Sorry to be so blind. The link to the document is right there in the link I shared.
https://www.scribd.com/document/1313...laims-3-7-2013
 
Old 10-11-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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Whats your problem? You are free to have any vaccine you choose! I dont choose to. Just because you dont like those of us who stay healthy without relying on most vaccines, so what? Whats it to you? Its my life not yours.
Well, this is a discussion board.

I don't have a problem. I just think that in the context of this discussion about a particular vaccine, you first claim that the "pro-vaccine crowd" is pushing vaccines on the public, then concede that you get the Tetanus vaccine, presumably because you believe yourself and your horses to be at risk for Tetanus and you believe the vaccine to be effective. But if I make a similar decision based on a belief that I'm at risk for flu and the flu vaccine is effective, or that my daughter is at risk for cervical cancer and Gardasil is effective against it, I'm part of the "pro-vaccine crowd."

I'm just curious about why you don't consider yourself part of the "pro-vaccine crowd."
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