What if 20 million illegals just - left the U.S. (hiring illegals, laws)

[malamute]

Originally Posted by medvall

Check out this table. 1993 Median Salaries of U.S. Recipients of Ph.D.s in Science and Engineering: Foreign-Born vs. Native-Born:

Years Since Earning Degree Foreign-Born Native-Born

1–5 years $44,400 $40,000
6–10 years $55,400 $49,200
11–15 years $64,000 $56,000
16–20 years $64,000 $56,000
21 years $70,200 $68,000

Still - what does that have to do with illegal immigration?

Those are legally here. And they aren't dirt cheap workers .

[malamute]

Originally Posted by medvall

Check out this table. 1993 Median Salaries of U.S. Recipients of Ph.D.s in Science and Engineering: Foreign-Born vs. Native-Born:

Years Since Earning Degree Foreign-Born Native-Born

1–5 years $44,400 $40,000
6–10 years $55,400 $49,200
11–15 years $64,000 $56,000
16–20 years $64,000 $56,000
21 years $70,200 $68,000

Wait! Whoa---- that's all a Ph.D in Science and Engineering makes even after 16-20 years of working????????

I think I'm going to keep my day job in that case and I live in a low wage region of the country!!! Those aren't wages to brag about.

[medvall]

All I know is if you let me borrow your car and I get injured when using it I will be garnishing your wages for the next 20 years.

Also, if you sell something for $5 during your yard sale and it hasn't been re-certified by a US technician and I get injured using it, I will also sue you and garnish your wages for 20 years.

I do believe I should pay something if I had him chained to the work area. Otherwise he get his own fkn insurance if he likes. I cannot manage his entire life due to a minor drywall replacement.

Originally Posted by malamute

But what if you had an unsafe (cheap) ladder and brought in this cheap foreign worker and he's injured while working on your roof because your cheap ladder didn't hold up? Why shouldn't you pay? You're the cause of his injury, you brought him here. Why should the taxpayers have to pay his hospital stay?

Or you didn't educate him properly on the safe use of ladders and roof work, you provided him no safety in education or equipment. You cannot just throw him away after you misused him.

[malamute]

I can admit I see the problem. An American investing that much time and money in college and graduate school would not be very bright -- that would be a terrible investment. You can make that much with just a 2 or 4 year degree. I can see why there might be a derth of Americans lining up for those jobs.

I would almost suspect those are wages that are being held down by large numbers of foreigners being brought in who happily accept wages like that for that amount of education.

[medvall]

Those numbers are from 1993 - although it sounds strange that is almost 20 years ago!

People who go to work every day, who innovate, who try to create something better, who go for higher education are never holding anything down, the entire country rests upon them for their future.

If you add an MBA on top of an engineering degree today you should be starting at $160,000.

Look at Americas future instead of short-term supply-demand models as it relates to labor.

Originally Posted by malamute

I can admit I see the problem. An American investing that much time and money in college and graduate school would not be very bright -- that would be a terrible investment. You can make that much with just a 2 or 4 year degree. I can see why there might be a derth of Americans lining up for those jobs.

I would almost suspect those are wages that are being held down by large numbers of foreigners being brought in who happily accept wages like that for that amount of education.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by medvall

Those numbers are from 1993 - although it sounds strange that is almost 20 years ago!

People who go to work every day, who innovate, who try to create something better, who go for higher education are never holding anything down, the entire country rests upon them for their future.

If you add an MBA on top of an engineering degree today you should be starting at $160,000.

Look at Americas future instead of short-term supply-demand models as it related to labor.

I agree it would make sense then to just eliminate our whole educational system and simply import the engineers when we need them.

I'm sure it's a whole lot cheaper for someone to be educated in some other country like India and then they can come here.

Look at how much tax dollars could be saved if we had no education system and just brought in whatever educated foreigner we need. After all - who needs American workers in anything?

[ErikCortez]

Originally Posted by medvall

I cannot comment on the effects of your retarded government in relation to a private agreement between me and a Mexican. If he shows up hungover and falls off the ladder it's his problem not mine.

Nope. Its YOU who would be in trouble.

[medvall]

Exactly - in about 10-15 years the entire country will be doing only paperwork instead as demanded by regulations and the legal system. There won't be any time left for actual work - just 1020, 940, 941, W2, W3, monthly deposits and reports, workers comp, insurance this, insurance that, inspection this, permit that.

The foreign debt will be at 200,000 dollars per citizen and the whole country will implode and go bankrupt.

The US does not have a problem with foreign (legal nor illegal workers) - you have a problem with yourselves and with your government.

The day you put ACTUAL WORK before paperwork, insurance, permits, 1099s and being scared of 1000 options for lawsuits you will be on the path to the future.

You create value for all Americans by focusing on CREATING something. The FACT that 80 % of all PhDs in chemical engineering and orange pickers are foreigners is irrelevant on the bigger scale.

20 million illegal day laborers just proves that US citizens prefer unlicensed labor for the simpler jobs in life.

Originally Posted by malamute

I agree it would make sense then to just eliminate our whole educational system and simply import the engineers when we need them.

I'm sure it's a whole lot cheaper for someone to be educated in some other country like India and then they can come here.

Look at how much tax dollars could be saved if we had no education system and just brought in whatever educated foreigner we need. After all - who needs American workers in anything?

[medvall]

I was talking about what I thought about it, not the possible reality of it.

Originally Posted by ErikCortez

Nope. Its YOU who would be in trouble.

[renault]

Originally Posted by LuckyGem

I remember the "day with out a mexican" that happened in Los Angeles a few years ago.

Lol so do I. It was great to see how it totally backfired against the pro-illegal propagandists.

I wish we could celebrate Day Without A Mexican everyday.