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Old 03-01-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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The bottom line is that this student is an illegal alien and should be deported post haste. Harvard should be fined for aiding and abetting an illegal. There are plenty of legal citizens who are deserving of a scholarship. No need to break laws and seek out criminals.
Agreed. But you know how they think . . . everything for the race, that is except for obedience of our laws.
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Old 03-01-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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The bottom line is that this student is an illegal alien and should be deported post haste. Harvard should be fined for aiding and abetting an illegal. There are plenty of legal citizens who are deserving of a scholarship. No need to break laws and seek out criminals.
You'd THINK this would just be plain 'common sense', wouldn't you? And of course, you'd be right...it WOULD be.......?......but.....(?)....

Oh, well......
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Old 03-01-2009, 11:39 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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The law is the law, enforce the 14th amendment like it has always been enforced. You are very wrong about this issue and i'm pretty sure the supreme court will disagree with you too.
Yeah, yeah....

Intent of the original framers of the amendment means nothing as long as it continues to benefit your precious anchor babies....

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The Supreme Court followed the intent of the framers of the 1866 Citizenship Clause until 1898. In that year, in the Won Kim Ark decision, the court rejected the reasoning of the framers in granting citizenship to the American-born child of legal permanent residents who, at time of birth, were still subjects of the emperor of China.

The decision was flawed, as Dr. Eastman's testimony indicates.

Notwithstanding, “to read the [limited] holding in Wong Kim Ark as determining that the Constitution also mandates automatic citizenship to children of temporary, illegal immigrants not only presses the Constitution's text beyond the breaking point, but significantly intrudes on Congress's plenary power over naturalization.” (Eastman, Wall Street Journal , December 7, 2006)

A comment is in order on the quality of the1898 Supreme Court that rendered the Wong Kim Ark decision: This was the court that, with nearly the same line-up, inflicted the infamous separate-but-equal doctrine on the United States less that two years earlier in Plessy v. Ferguson. ”

The high court is capable of catastrophic error. Plessy v. Ferguson, like the 1858 Dred Scott decision, caused a world of woe. The current inventive interpretation of the Citizenship Clause, based on the limited holding (the Chinese parents were, after all, legal residents) and flawed reasoning of Won Kim Ark, likewise, has disastrous potential.

Broad and absolute “automatic birthright citizenship” must be abolished
"Automatic Birthright Citizenship": An Emerging Crisis

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The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.

Over a century ago, the Supreme Court appropriately confirmed this restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called "Slaughter-House cases" [83 US 36 (1873) and 112 US 94 (1884)]13. In the 1884 Elk v.Wilkins case12, the phrase "subject to its jurisdiction" was interpreted to exclude "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States." In Elk, the American Indian claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be "not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance."
The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution

I could post three opposing constitutional attorney's views on this subject for every one you could scrounge up. Just because something is going on does not make it right.

People are dying in Darfur every day--it's happening right now--it's what's been going on for some time now. That still doesn't make it acceptable.

Misinterpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States for gain by illegal aliens does not make it acceptable simply because it is happening....
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Old 03-01-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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Yeah, yeah....

Intent of the original framers of the amendment means nothing as long as it continues to benefit your precious anchor babies....



"Automatic Birthright Citizenship": An Emerging Crisis



The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution

I could post three opposing constitutional attorney's views on this subject for every one you could scrounge up. Just because something is going on does not make it right.

People are dying in Darfur every day--it's happening right now--it's what's been going on for some time now. That still doesn't make it acceptable.

Misinterpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States for gain by illegal aliens does not make it acceptable simply because it is happening....


Exactly. Everything for the race . . . . .
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Old 03-01-2009, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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After reading through over 20 pages to get caught up on all of this, the issue still remains indefensable. Even if this student happened to earn his scholarship through merit and accomplishment, HE'S ILLEGAL!!! If Harvard University can't find someone as qualified to recieve that scholarship that happens to be a US citizen, than I believe that Harvard University, its recruiters, and it's acceptance staff truely could care less for the wellfare of our great nation.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Kele View Post
Yeah, yeah....

Intent of the original framers of the amendment means nothing as long as it continues to benefit your precious anchor babies....



"Automatic Birthright Citizenship": An Emerging Crisis



The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution

I could post three opposing constitutional attorney's views on this subject for every one you could scrounge up. Just because something is going on does not make it right.

People are dying in Darfur every day--it's happening right now--it's what's been going on for some time now. That still doesn't make it acceptable.

Misinterpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States for gain by illegal aliens does not make it acceptable simply because it is happening....
What happened to the "law is the law" rhetoric? Typical

You can cry all about it you want, but it's the LAW.
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:50 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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What happened to the "law is the law" rhetoric? Typical

You can cry all about it you want, but it's the LAW.
Proof positive that you never read ANY links posted.

The Supreme Court confirmed the application of the 14th Amendment as framed by the original authors in 1884. Children born to foreigners in this country are not subject to the jurisdiction of this country and therefore, not citizens. No Supreme Court decision has ever struck down this ruling and THEREFORE, anchor baby citizenship is NOT the law, but rather yet another example of white, liberal guilt rolling over, rear end to the sky--ignoring the rule of law in order to placate the illegal masses.

Realizing this though, would require actual reading of information on your part and god forbid that you should cloud your brain with facts and crowd out that spoon-fed pap of yours that passes for knowledge.

Typical...
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:12 AM
 
Location: escondido,ca
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Did your college age child get a scholarship for being LEGAL???

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Undocumented Student at Harvard on $50,000 Scholarship - NAM

Feb 11, 2009

Los Angeles—Juan Hernandez-Campos, an undocumented who completed his first semester at Harvard University, has been awarded a $50,000 per year scholarship Hernandez-Campos, who was born in Guadalajara, Mexico. There are universities and private foundations that award scholarships to distinguished students, regardless of their immigration status.

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In my opinion, now, that we know who he is and where he is, how can we deport him? That money belongs to an American child for education and not an illegal aliens. This illegal alien will make a fine addition to his home town of Guadalajara, Mexico. I'm sure they have colleges in Mexico. We must have him deported immediately. If the organization wants to fund his education in Mexico that would be fine.

Deport All Illegal aliens:

Juan Hernandez-Campos an illegal alien from Guadalajara, Mexico will be attending school at Harvard.

This organization needs to be raided, “After School All Stars,” a national after school educational and recreational program designed to keep youth out of trouble.

His father needs to be checked to see if he's an illegal alien, if he is then he needs to be deported too, "he crossed the border nine years ago to be with his father."

Call Harvard and complain, the illegal alien is illegally taking a space where an legal American should be!

Harvard General Information :

Primary address:
Massachusetts Hall
Cambridge, MA 02138

Tel: 617.495.1000

Admissions and Aid Information :
Undergraduate»
Tel: 617.495.1551; Fax: 617.495.8821

Harvard University Office of News & Public Affairs»
Tel: 617.495.1585

Public Safety :
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While I can sympathize with the millions of people (including myself), who wonder how they're going to send their kids to college, I don't think it's fair to hate on this guy. Our colleges and universities are filled with kids from other countries, including China, India,etc. who will more than likely take their education back to their homelands, while we struggle with some of the lowest education rates among the developed nations. Chances are that this kid will remain in the u.s. after graduating from Harvard and that's probably not a bad thing, I doubt he'll be one of those illegals people complain about collecting welfare. It sounds to me like he's living the american dream, i doubt many of these people complaining would even have a chance to get into harvard, give the kid a break.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:38 AM
 
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Hopefully, this illegal will go back to Mexico after he graduates and try to improve his own country and help his countrymen. I highly doubt it though. He'll probably stay in America and use his education to help other illegals find more ways to take advantage of America.

i agree this is too much. and he should go back to help his countrymen if he can.

america should only allow exchange students that must go back to their countries of origin or those on business. immigration should be limited simply because you couldn't hardly move everyone to this country that was in desperate situations.

it would be served best if that education was spread out. it's just common sense.
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:12 AM
 
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Lies? Really? You like your illegal raza obviously have never read, have any knowledge of or have the skills to interprete the language contained within the 14th Amendment, as evidenced by your claim that "until it is amended . . .blah, blah blah." The only liars involved in this equation are you, the illegal alien breeders and their offspring.

Had any of you ever read the 14th Amendment you would know that it's purpose was to ensure that citizenship be granted to the descendants of BLACK slaves in America. It also specifically states that the descendants must be UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE US.

What part of ILLEGAL ALIEN expressly qualifies the children of illegal alien foreign national breeders [neither of whom are SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE US] to declare US citizenship?

I look forward to another one of your lame replies in your pathetic attempt to justify the unjustifiable.
FYI: I hope this helps you to avoid any future self incrimination of blatant ignorance:
The 14th Amendment has a few Acts added to it. You should try reading yourself and find out that the one in place, the one that is currently in use by the U.S. is Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Now if you tell me that it is YOUR OPINION that we should abolish this act because it is no longer needed, I can respect YOUR opinion. FYI-it was put in place as an extention of the Civil Rights Movement...ending racism and descrimination of immigrants for which this country was founded on.
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