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Old 04-28-2010, 01:36 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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I was stopped once because I fit the description of a bank robber, who just robbed a bank two blocks from where I was at the time. Ten minutes. Information and ID provided. Were my rights violated?

That is a good point. No they wren't violated. However it is a little different with a individual case as that from assuming someone is Mexican, or illegal Mexican.

 
Old 04-28-2010, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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anybody who isn't breaking the law isn't going to have any trouble providing ID. what we are saying is that it isn't a big deal to simply show identification.....

problem solved.
It's not a matter of just showing ID. I guarantee illegal immigrants if they wanted could get their hands, and I guarantee upon this the black market for fake ID's is booming.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Say-Town! Texas
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anybody who isn't breaking the law isn't going to have any trouble providing ID. what we are saying is that it isn't a big deal to simply show identification.....

problem solved.
because Identification doesn't prove you're a US Citizen, a person here on a living visa can get an ID, drivers license and still have an expired visa. a birth certificate or passport show whether you're an american citizen or not. do you carry one of those?
 
Old 04-28-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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It's not a matter of just showing ID. I guarantee illegal immigrants if they wanted could get their hands, and I guarantee upon this the black market for fake ID's is booming.
Then they would get away with it when stopped. The laws says that the police must accept that as ID.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Say-Town! Texas
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Then they would get away with it when stopped. The laws says that the police must accept that as ID.
can you provide a link to where it says that in the law? i have found no place in the law where it speficies that a state ID or even social security card provides proper citizenship status.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I was stopped once because I fit the description of a bank robber, who just robbed a bank two blocks from where I was at the time. Ten minutes. Information and ID provided. Were my rights violated?
The ID you provided was probably your driver's license. Now, imagine if that didn't suffice, and you were required to carry your birth certificate/other paper work AT ALL TIMES. And not doing so would have you detained until the issue can be resolved.

To top it off, unlike your situation, this isn't going to be a one time issue, but an ongoing one, EVERY TIME you step out of the house, you have a chance of being stopped on "reasonable suspicion".
 
Old 04-28-2010, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Then they would get away with it when stopped. The laws says that the police must accept that as ID.
So in other words, as I've said before, the law will render ineffective, besides the fact it's an abortion to us Constitutionalists.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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can you provide a link to where it says that in the law? i have found no place in the law where it speficies that a state ID or even social security card provides proper citizenship status.
The bottom of page 1 says this:
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf


A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS
UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION.
4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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can you provide a link to where it says that in the law? i have found no place in the law where it speficies that a state ID or even social security card provides proper citizenship status.
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf

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A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
...
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4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
Green Card, which all legal workers are required to carry...right now.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 01:47 PM
 
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So in other words, as I've said before, the law will render ineffective, besides the fact it's an abortion to us Constitutionalists.
What it means is that some will be caught and some will get away with it - just like with all of our laws. Do you want to scrap the rest too?
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