NORDSTROM at Circle Center mall Closing! (Indianapolis, Columbus: appointed, purchases, school)

[Toxic Toast]

Originally Posted by Northwest Indiana

On a more serious note, a couple classmates I had have stated that while the Greenwood area as a whole is not going downhill, there seems to be major class warfare between residents in the "Center Grove HS" attendance area and the "Greenwood Community HS" attendance area. Those in the GCHS area were referred to as "trashy" and those in the CGHS area were "classy" (according to what I was told). Also, I guess it was not uncommon for people to move from GCHS to CGHS because the latter district is better? That is all I know about that. So maybe it is a within-town issue?

I've heard this as well.

I don't want to turn this into a Greenwood debate, but take a look at home prices and the time houses spend on the market in the Greenwood Community district compared to Center Grove, it is pretty obvious which one has the strong demand and which one doesn't. Or so it seemed to me.

[Northwest Indiana]

Yea, we were getting a little off topic here lol...but back to Circle Center....I believe that whichever tenant they choose will really set a precedent of the future of the mall...as far as the direction it is headed. Even the least desirable of Simon Malls tend to still do very well in their given areas. I hope they make a wise choice (not just financially, but for the downtown community).

[chet_kinkaid]

i hope circle center can find a way to survive but in the long term it doesnt look good for a suburban type enclosed mall in a downtown area.the similar mall in columbus ohio has been demolished,after being hugely successful.when 3 very large new malls,were built in the span of 4 years in the sprawling suburbs, the mall couldnt compete,as people will invariable shop at the location closest to their home. i think the key to any downtown retail is having people in sufficient numbers living close to downtown,and having stores that are unique in the area

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by chet_kinkaid

i hope circle center can find a way to survive but in the long term it doesnt look good for a suburban type enclosed mall in a downtown area.the similar mall in columbus ohio has been demolished,after being hugely successful.when 3 very large new malls,were built in the span of 4 years in the sprawling suburbs, the mall couldnt compete,as people will invariable shop at the location closest to their home. i think the key to any downtown retail is having people in sufficient numbers living close to downtown,and having stores that are unique in the area

Circle Centre has had a pretty successful 16-year run, and you don't see a bunch of new malls sprouting up in the suburbs here.

[chalcedony]

Originally Posted by Toxic Toast

I've heard this as well.

I don't want to turn this into a Greenwood debate, but take a look at home prices and the time houses spend on the market in the Greenwood Community district compared to Center Grove, it is pretty obvious which one has the strong demand and which one doesn't. Or so it seemed to me.

Coming from the area, it's so funny. The only thing I'm aware of defining the area called "Center Grove" is its high school, and yet that's what everyone calls it. It isn't the name of the township, the school district, a town, or even the Census Designated Place. And if Greenwood has its way, the entire area could become part of the city--but, no doubt, would continue to refer to itself as Center Grove.

The demographics in the elusive "Center Grove" are much closer to Carmel than those in the city of Greenwood. The Center of Greenwood has older housing stock and has more of the original residents of the area, largely blue-collar migrants from the South. So it's with no small amount of snobbery that people are calling the area "trashy". 80% of the regions shopping and businesses are in Greenwood, and some very nice developments are there as well. But Greenwood does have the older, less attractive areas--as well as increasingly immigrant-driven apartment complexes--with a little bit of poverty that simply isn't detectable in Center Grove. Those impoverished areas might drag down the test scores at Greenwood Community compared to Center Grove, but not enough to keep Greenwood out of the upper echelon of schools in Indiana. It still remains a solid district, and it has a walkable downtown with older architecture (at least unless the Mayor can get his hands on it and tear it all down as he has proposed), is (minimally) linked by Indy's public transportation system, and it is much closer to the bulk of the shopping, so it really comes down to what you prefer.

[CentralCarmel]

Originally Posted by Toxic Toast

I've heard this as well.

I don't want to turn this into a Greenwood debate, but take a look at home prices and the time houses spend on the market in the Greenwood Community district compared to Center Grove, it is pretty obvious which one has the strong demand and which one doesn't. Or so it seemed to me.

I graduated from Center Grove HS and I can assure you that this "class warfare" is nothing new and nothing major. It's been going on for at least 30 years and it's little more than a traditional cross-town rivalry. Hardly unique to Greenwood and completely harmless.

[plaidmom]

Originally Posted by chet_kinkaid

i hope circle center can find a way to survive but in the long term it doesnt look good for a suburban type enclosed mall in a downtown area.the similar mall in columbus ohio has been demolished,after being hugely successful

Meanwhile, over in Cleveland: Welcome

The ArtsGarden would be PERFECT fior this.

Not this year, not next, but in ten, twenty? years, maybe. When the cost of shipping food into urban areas becomes prohibitively expensive and people start to look at new and innovative ways of feeding the population.

[indy_317]

Originally Posted by grmasterb

Circle Centre has had a pretty successful 16-year run, and you don't see a bunch of new malls sprouting up in the suburbs here.

Circle Centre was opened in 1995. Since then:
-Metropolis mall in Plainfield was opened in Oct. 2005.
-Clay Terrace opened in Carmel
-Hamilton Town Center opened in Noblesville

[prairiestate]

Originally Posted by indy_317

Circle Centre was opened in 1995. Since then:
-Metropolis mall in Plainfield was opened in Oct. 2005.
-Clay Terrace opened in Carmel
-Hamilton Town Center opened in Noblesville

It's inevitable that someone will point out that these aren't enclosed malls, nor are they quite as large as a traditional mall. That is irrelevant. These outdoor mall/lifestyle center/big box centers are the future. Every "mall" built in the last 10-15 years has been like this. Even Chicagoland has one now, and one or two more are proposed. Metropolis in Plainfield is absolutely intended as a replacement for Lafayette Square. The two in Hamilton County were built to accommodate the population explosion there, and would have been built as traditional enclosed malls 20 years ago. All of these centers can more then meet the needs of local residents.

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by indy_317

Circle Centre was opened in 1995. Since then:
-Metropolis mall in Plainfield was opened in Oct. 2005.
-Clay Terrace opened in Carmel
-Hamilton Town Center opened in Noblesville

I wouldn't call three open-air, relatively small malls in 16 years a "bunch." Clay Terrace hasn't worked out the way many thought it would. I don't believe Hamilton Town Center has hurt Castleton much.