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Old 06-13-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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BTW, you never answered my questions:
What is the composition of smoke... and what is the composition of this gaseous matter?

The Quran doesn't state "correctly" how life emerged from water, we are made up of CELLS or that we are just partly water. Why not? Why the vague and wrong generalization?

And what about jinn? What are they made of? Are they living, or just objects like stones?



The Holy Quran is not a detail scientific book , it is the final Holy Book From Allah to all mankind
and it is considered the constitution and the Laws that must be comply by every one in this world .
it is more 1400 years old and it also contain stories and kind of history events
and hints and signs to scientific facts
these scientific facts are considered miracles because it could not be told by any human being at that time 1400 years ago,
also they are considered proofs against non believers who do not believe in the creator or those who do not follow Islam




The Jinn are different creatures Allah created them from fire and they can see us but we can not see them


and among them are Muslims and among them are disbelievers in them is the number one enemy for all mankind and that is


Iblis (Satan ) and his main aim is to put with him in the Hell fire too much kind in the last day , and in this life his aim to
make problems among mankind and make the wife and the husband divorce each other .. etc .


but he does not have any control on us but he can seduce and whisper and give advise that seem good but it has a dangerous end


as giving honey that contains poison.
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Old 06-13-2016, 06:13 PM
 
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The Holy Quran is not a detail scientific book , it is the final Holy Book From Allah to all mankind
and it is considered the constitution and the Laws that must be comply by every one in this world .
it is more 1400 years old and it also contain stories and kind of history events
and hints and signs to scientific facts
these scientific facts are considered miracles because it could not be told by any human being at that time 1400 years ago,
also they are considered proofs against non believers who do not believe in the creator or those who do not follow Islam




The Jinn are different creatures Allah created them from fire and they can see us but we can not see them


and among them are Muslims and among them are disbelievers in them is the number one enemy for all mankind and that is


Iblis (Satan ) and his main aim is to put with him in the Hell fire too much kind in the last day , and in this life his aim to
make problems among mankind and make the wife and the husband divorce each other .. etc .


but he does not have any control on us but he can seduce and whisper and give advise that seem good but it has a dangerous end


as giving honey that contains poison.
Why would a creator of the universe give vague and misleading information in his book for humanity?

Where people consider that book a "constitution and the Laws that must be comply by every one in this world" there is terrorism and violence and poverty and human rights abuses and backwardness and hate and rape and pedophilia. Why didn't allah write a book that would prevent these evils? He knew what would happen.

If the book is for humanity, the history is there to give a lesson, right?

The scientific facts are wrong and what there is of them had been given ages before the quran. The quran has nothing new and is vague and often completely wrong.

The Quran says: "And We have made from water every living thing. "

But jinn are living and they are not water. Don't you wonder about that?

BTW, you never answered my questions:
What is the composition of smoke... and what is the composition of this gaseous matter?

The Quran doesn't state "correctly" how life emerged from water, we are made up of CELLS or that we are just partly water. Why not? Why the vague and wrong generalization?
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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Why would a creator of the universe give vague and misleading information in his book for humanity?
(This is) a Book (the Qur'an) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings, that they may ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember. The Holy Quran 38.29

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Where people consider that book a "constitution and the Laws that must be comply by every one in this world" there is terrorism and violence and poverty and human rights abuses and backwardness and hate and rape and pedophilia. Why didn't allah write a book that would prevent these evils? He knew what would happen.

There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings,
but they are peoples like unto you.
We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees).
Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. The Holy Quran. 6.38

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The scientific facts are wrong and what there is of them had been given ages before the quran. The quran has nothing new and is vague and often completely wrong.
The Quran says: "And We have made from water every living thing. "
But jinn are living and they are not water. Don't you wonder about that?

Adam and Eve were not created by water
Adam was created from soil and Eve was created from a rib of Adam
but we breed by water and that can apply also for the Jinn they were created from fire
but they might breed by water



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BTW, you never answered my questions:
What is the composition of smoke... and what is the composition of this gaseous matter?
The Quran doesn't state "correctly" how life emerged from water, we are made up of CELLS or that we are just partly water. Why not? Why the vague and wrong generalization?

The Quran is not a detail scientific book , but the Quran can direct you to the answer in this verse
And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men, whom We inspired. Ask the followers of the Reminder if ye know not? The Holy Quran. 21.7
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:02 AM
 
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(This is) a Book (the Qur'an) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings, that they may ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember. The Holy Quran 38.29


There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings,
but they are peoples like unto you.
We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees).
Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. The Holy Quran. 6.38


Adam and Eve were not created by water
Adam was created from soil and Eve was created from a rib of Adam
but we breed by water and that can apply also for the Jinn they were created from fire
but they might breed by water






The Quran is not a detail scientific book , but the Quran can direct you to the answer in this verse
And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men, whom We inspired. Ask the followers of the Reminder if ye know not? The Holy Quran. 21.7
So if allah is giving information that is wrong and vague and misleading, why are you posting all this stuff and making assertions that it is really science?

Why didn't allah just be truthful and informative? No one wants to write a book that people cannot understand! Especially, why would the creator of the universe do it? This being, if it was at all good, would be giving wonderful and CLEAR information. Are we a joke to allah...something to deceive? WHY??

Why would a creator of the universe write a book full of such nonsense that it isn't used in even a FIRST GRADE science class?

You don't even think about what I say! You just post more nonsense. And now you tell me that allah says that worms and birds and cockroaches are people! And nothing is neglected!! How about cancer and the viruses from drinking camel urine? How about surviving a tsunami and the truth about biology and astronomy? Here is a creature you say knows EVERYTHING and his book is nonsense. WHY? Don't you wonder about that?

Islam is so far behind the west on education. WHY? You have this amazing book!! If it is not supposed to be scientific. why all the incorrect and vague references to the sciences? Biology, astronomy, etc...just a mess of garbage about them. WHY? A first grade text book is far superior!!

https://www.teacherspayteachers.com/...Area/Astronomy
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Old 06-14-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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So if allah is giving information that is wrong and vague and misleading, why are you posting all this stuff and making assertions that it is really science?

Why didn't allah just be truthful and informative? No one wants to write a book that people cannot understand! Especially, why would the creator of the universe do it? This being, if it was at all good, would be giving wonderful and CLEAR information. Are we a joke to allah...something to deceive? WHY??

Why would a creator of the universe write a book full of such nonsense that it isn't used in even a FIRST GRADE science class?

You don't even think about what I say! You just post more nonsense. And now you tell me that allah says that worms and birds and cockroaches are people! And nothing is neglected!! How about cancer and the viruses from drinking camel urine? How about surviving a tsunami and the truth about biology and astronomy? Here is a creature you say knows EVERYTHING and his book is nonsense. WHY? Don't you wonder about that?

Islam is so far behind the west on education. WHY? You have this amazing book!! If it is not supposed to be scientific. why all the incorrect and vague references to the sciences? Biology, astronomy, etc...just a mess of garbage about them. WHY? A first grade text book is far superior!!

https://www.teacherspayteachers.com/...Area/Astronomy
that is according to your understanding.
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Old 06-14-2016, 04:37 PM
 
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that is according to your understanding.
No, it is according to common sense. Can you answer any of my questions using common sense? Do you even think about them, or do you evade trying to think?
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Old 06-16-2016, 08:37 AM
 
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the shape of the earth is sphere

When did the science know this fact ?

The Holy Quran hinted about this fact more than 1400 years ago.
He has created the heavens and the earth with the truth; He makes the night cover the day (in a ball like)
and makes the day overtake the night (in a ball like): , and He has made the sun and the moon subservient;
each one runs on to an assigned term; now surely He is the Mighty, the great Forgiver. The Holy Quran 39:5
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Old 06-18-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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The spider's web by David Attenborough.


The science has discovered that the House of the spider is made not by the male spider but the female spider
The Holy Quran mentioned that more than 1400 years ago
The likeness of those who choose other patrons than Allah
is as the likeness of the spider when she taketh unto herself a house, and lo! the frailest of all houses is the spider's house, if they but knew. The Holy Quran 29:41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5oneNHmIc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSwvH6YhqIM
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Old 06-18-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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The spider's web by David Attenborough.


The science has discovered that the House of the spider is made not by the male spider but the female spider
The Holy Quran mentioned that more than 1400 years ago
The likeness of those who choose other patrons than Allah
is as the likeness of the spider when she taketh unto herself a house, and lo! the frailest of all houses is the spider's house, if they but knew. The Holy Quran 29:41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5oneNHmIc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSwvH6YhqIM
Let's look at the translations:

Sahih International
The example of those who take allies other than Allah is like that of the spider who takes a home. And indeed, the weakest of homes is the home of the spider, if they only knew.

Muhsin Khan
The likeness of those who take Auliya' (protectors and helpers) other than Allah is as the likeness of a spider, who builds (for itself) a house, but verily, the frailest (weakest) of houses is the spider's house; if they but knew.

Pickthall
The likeness of those who choose other patrons than Allah is as the likeness of the spider when she taketh unto herself (taketh, not buildth) a house, and lo! the frailest of all houses is the spider's house, if they but knew.

Yusuf Ali
The parable of those who take protectors other than Allah is that of the spider, who builds (to itself) a house; but truly the flimsiest of houses is the spider's house;- if they but knew.

Shakir
The parable of those who take guardians besides Allah is as the parable of the spider that makes for itself a house; and most surely the frailest of the houses is the spider's house did they but know.

Dr. Ghali
The likeness of the ones who have taken to themselves patrons apart from Allah is as the likeness of the spider that takes to itself a home; and surely the feeblest of homes is indeed the spider's house, if they knew (the Truth).

1. There only one translation mentions a female spider and it says taketh, not maketh a web. It could easily mean the male builds and the female then moves in.

2. The web as a 'house'.

The web is a device to catch prey, not living quarters.

3. The point of the whole verse is that spider webs are the weakest of all all houses.

"The silk that spiders use to build their webs, trap their prey and dangle from your ceiling is one of the strongest materials known. But it turns out it’s not simply the material’s exceptional strength that makes spider webs so resilient; it’s the material’s unusual combination of strength and stretchiness — silk’s characteristic way of first softening and then stiffening when pulled. These properties, scientists have found, vary depending on the forces applied, as well as on the overall design of the web."

How spider webs achieve their strength | MIT News

4. Only female spiders make webs.

At least that must be true, right? Nope, not even that is the case.

Do this: Go back and watch your video and give me the EXACT QUOTE about 'only' females weaving webs.

Seriously, do your research before you post garbage. I am sick of doing your research for you.
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Old 06-18-2016, 05:21 PM
 
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Do this: Go back and watch your video and give me the EXACT QUOTE about 'only' females weaving webs.
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This is the verse in Arabic

مَثَلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ أَوْلِيَاء كَمَثَلِ الْعَنكَبُوتِ اتَّخَذَتْ بَيْتًا وَإِنَّ أَوْهَنَ الْبُيُوتِ لَبَيْتُ الْعَنكَبُوتِ لَوْ كَانُوا يَعْلَمُونَ


The word in blue color اتَّخَذَتْ is the verb that can mean make or take


this verb can be written in 3 letters like this اتَّخَذَ or
in four letters like this اتَّخَذَتْ


اتَّخَذَ refers to a male

اتَّخَذَتْ refers to a female

it has one extra letter at end تْ and this is a suffix to indicate female
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