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Old 10-11-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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Josh and Caleb of all those over the age of 20 I believe. Lots of those who were under that age.
Everyone who crossed over from Egypt had passed away and the only two people left alive who came from Egypt were Joshua and Caleb. The new generation who went into the promised land were never in Egypt and they never crossed the waters until they crossed the river. Joshua and Caleb were unique in that they alone came from Egypt, crossed the waters and made it to the promised land.

 
Old 10-11-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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Are the Books of Enoch, Jubilees, and Jasher considered apart of the Canon in Orthodox Judaism?
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According to who? It came to my knowledge that Jasher may not have been an original Hebrew text but Enoch and Jubilees predates the birth and death of Christ.
The "Book of Jasher" is an 18th century forgery, and neither the Book of Enoch nor the Book of Jubilees are considered canonical by Jews or most Christians.

It takes more than just being old to be included in Scripture.

It's generally held that our Bible was canonized by the Anshei K'nesset HaGedolah (the men of the great assembly) during the 5th century BCE.
 
Old 10-11-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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Everyone who crossed over from Egypt had passed away and the only two people left alive who came from Egypt were Joshua and Caleb. The new generation who went into the promised land were never in Egypt and they never crossed the waters until they crossed the river. Joshua and Caleb were unique in that they alone came from Egypt, crossed the waters and made it to the promised land.
The spies were sent into Canaan within the first 2 years after the exodus from Egypt. Numbers 14:29-38 make it clear that anyone under the age of 20 (which would have been many people, and many of them who, because they were older than 2, experienced the exodus from Egypt and life there) survives, plus Josh and Caleb.
 
Old 10-11-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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The spies were sent into Canaan within the first 2 years after the exodus from Egypt. Numbers 14:29-38 make it clear that anyone under the age of 20 (which would have been many people, and many of them who, because they were older than 2, experienced the exodus from Egypt and life there) survives, plus Josh and Caleb.
I will have to look again, still certain I am right, but who knows, thanks.

Edit, I guess you might be right, I will have to look at why I thought that.
 
Old 10-12-2015, 12:26 PM
 
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The "Book of Jasher" is an 18th century forgery, and neither the Book of Enoch nor the Book of Jubilees are considered canonical by Jews or most Christians.

It takes more than just being old to be included in Scripture.

It's generally held that our Bible was canonized by the Anshei K'nesset HaGedolah (the men of the great assembly) during the 5th century BCE.
How and why is Jasher a forgery?...
 
Old 10-12-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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How and why is Jasher a forgery?...
It was published in 1751 and presented as a "newly discovered" English translation supposedly written by a monk who would of spoken Anglo-Saxon and Latin. It was published in November and deemed a fraud a month later.

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Old 10-12-2015, 07:16 PM
 
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It was published in 1751 and presented as a "newly discovered" English translation supposedly written by a monk who would of spoken Anglo-Saxon and Latin. It was published in November and deemed a fraud a month later.
Is there a genuine book of Jasher?...
 
Old 10-12-2015, 07:40 PM
 
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Is there a genuine book of Jasher?...
It's called a "lost book" for a reason.
 
Old 10-12-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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Is there a genuine book of Jasher?...
this from a Christian site online (GotQuestions.org):

There is a book called “The Book of Jasher” today, although it is not the same book as mentioned in the Old Testament. It is an eighteenth-century forgery that alleges to be a translation of the “lost” Book of Jasher by Alcuin, an eighth-century English scholar. There is also a more recent book titled “The Book of Jashar” by science fiction and fantasy writer Benjamin Rosenbaum. This book is a complete work of fiction.

Another book by this same name, called by many “Pseudo-Jasher,” while written in Hebrew, is also not the “Book of Jasher” mentioned in Scripture. It is a book of Jewish legends from the creation to the conquest of Canaan under Joshua, but scholars hold that it did not exist before A.D. 1625. In addition, there are several other theological works by Jewish rabbis and scholars called “Sefer ha Yashar,” but none of these claim to be the original Book of Jasher.

In the end, we must conclude that the Book of Jasher mentioned in the Bible was lost and has not survived to modern times. All we really know about it is found in the two Scripture quotations mentioned earlier. The other books by that title are mere fictions or Jewish moral treatises.
 
Old 10-12-2015, 07:50 PM
 
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this from a Christian site online (GotQuestions.org):

There is a book called “The Book of Jasher” today, although it is not the same book as mentioned in the Old Testament. It is an eighteenth-century forgery that alleges to be a translation of the “lost” Book of Jasher by Alcuin, an eighth-century English scholar. There is also a more recent book titled “The Book of Jashar” by science fiction and fantasy writer Benjamin Rosenbaum. This book is a complete work of fiction.

Another book by this same name, called by many “Pseudo-Jasher,” while written in Hebrew, is also not the “Book of Jasher” mentioned in Scripture. It is a book of Jewish legends from the creation to the conquest of Canaan under Joshua, but scholars hold that it did not exist before A.D. 1625. In addition, there are several other theological works by Jewish rabbis and scholars called “Sefer ha Yashar,” but none of these claim to be the original Book of Jasher.

In the end, we must conclude that the Book of Jasher mentioned in the Bible was lost and has not survived to modern times. All we really know about it is found in the two Scripture quotations mentioned earlier. The other books by that title are mere fictions or Jewish moral treatises.
Why would you quote a Christian website???...
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