Missouri's Proposition B Relating to Dog Breeders (Belle: inspectors, safe)

[jifwittle]

Originally Posted by southward bound

Then take care of the puppy mills; start by demanding that the laws on the books be enforced, first of all. Then if it turns out additional legislation is needed, close the loopholes. Passing more bad bills when the state itself admits it doesn't have the staff to enforce the laws they already have is not a solution.

This topic thread is about Prop B, which is pertaining to licensed breeders.

[MoBornSouthernBelle]

Originally Posted by southward bound

then take care of the puppy mills; start by demanding that the laws on the books be enforced, first of all. Then if it turns out additional legislation is needed, close the loopholes. Passing more bad bills when the state itself admits it doesn't have the staff to enforce the laws they already have is not a solution.

All it takes is a dictionary. You are right.

The reason bad bills are passed is emotion and lack of foresight and discernment. Plugging the hole in the dam isn't going to fix it, but that is why some people end up voting for legislation that they can read, but do not understand its far reaching implications. The intent is good hearted, but one needs to vote with the brain, not the heart.

bingo!!

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by MoBornSouthernBelle

Genesis 1:26-28 - From creation man was given dominion over all animals.
Genesis 3:21 - When Adam and Eve sinned, they knew they were naked and needed clothing (vv 7-11). God made tunics of skin to clothe them.

Clearly, the Biblical teaching of man's dominion over animals includes the right to control them, confine them, and require them to obey us. We have the right to possess them as property, use them, and make them work for us, whether they want to or not. They are required to serve our purposes to meet our needs. They are not at "liberty," nor do they have the "right" to come and go or act as they please. All these are Biblical teachings, yet all of them prove that animals do not have "rights" like people do.

How does the bible saying something prove anything about what rights animals can and should have in a secularly-run country?

[MoBornSouthernBelle]

Originally Posted by jifwittle

This topic thread is about Prop B, which is pertaining to licensed breeders.

Prop B does not involve only licensed breeders, but all owners of animals....it affects everyone, including the farm industry.

[MoBornSouthernBelle]

Originally Posted by aragx6

How does the bible saying something prove anything about what rights animals can and should have in a secularly-run country?

Proof???
How about good old common sense?

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by MoBornSouthernBelle

Prop B does not involve only licensed breeders, but all owners of animals....it affects everyone, including the farm industry.

Thanks for admitting you didn't even read the ballot measure.

[MoBornSouthernBelle]

You are making assumptions again....

[latetotheparty]

Originally Posted by MoBornSouthernBelle

Prop B does not involve only licensed breeders, but all owners of animals....it affects everyone, including the farm industry.

REALLY?? please show me where it talks about cows or horses or sheep or pigs or chickens or ducks or turkeys or mules.....

i just don't understand how a dog breeder can be forced out of business by being limited to FIFTY breeding females...... .... lets do the math.... 50 litters of puppies per year at, oh, say, 4 puppies a litter = 200 puppies .... multiply that by the estimated $100 or so minimum they would get from a broker... and we come up with about $20K .... not a princely amount, but oh well, maybe a more humane and compassionate means of support should be sought if that is not enough..... one that does not inflict pain and torture and misery on living breathing beings......

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by MoBornSouthernBelle

You are making assumptions again....

You're right, that was an assumption. Let me change what I said:

You either have not read the ballot initiative or your reading comprehension is very suspect because there is literally nothing in said measure about anything other than breeders of dogs.

Better?

[MoBornSouthernBelle]

This type of bill is just a foothold for radical animal rights activists, that, as usual, name call and tell everyone who doesn't drink the kool-aid how stupid they are.