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Old 03-20-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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HSUS and PETA are both single issue organizations involved with the right of animals to humane treatment. They don't have other positions, nor should they. PETA has always been adamant that they have no position on Second Amendment rights.

I've known animal rights activists from all parts of the political spectrum. Some hate guns; some always carry. Some support abortion; some oppose it. What unites us is a love for animals and an unwillingness to allow their abuse. Any controversial position not involving animals would simply weaken the movement.

The world of animal rights is not monolithic, however. For example, although I am not a hunter, I believe that hunting is the most humane way to stabilize animal populations. Humans have killed most of the predators. The reactions of people when predators appear in populated areas is proof that they will never be reestablished in numbers large enough to remove the need for hunting.

i was talking about the website that kings ranger linked to .... it profiles all sorts of charities and causes.... not just hsus...... usually negatively....
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Old 03-20-2011, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Missouri today...
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i was talking about the website that kings ranger linked to .... it profiles all sorts of charities and causes.... not just hsus...... usually negatively....
This is "evidence-based" information.
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Old 03-20-2011, 03:24 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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This is "evidence-based" information.

still gotta wonder about the other groups and organizations and causes NOT profiled..... is that not profiled yet or not profiled because they align with the authors' political agenda??

i have yet to meet or become aware of a person or organization of any persuasion who can't be smeared by "evidence based" information.....
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Old 03-20-2011, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Missouri today...
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still gotta wonder about the other groups and organizations and causes NOT profiled..... is that not profiled yet or not profiled because they align with the authors' political agenda??

i have yet to meet or become aware of a person or organization of any persuasion who can't be smeared by "evidence based" information.....

At ActivistCash.com, they follow the money -- for you.

The site, created by the Center for Consumer Freedom, is committed to providing detailed and up-to-date information about the funding sources of organizations and activists, whether respectable or radical. They have analyzed over 500,000 pages of IRS documents to create this database, and new information is added every month.

The organizations tracked on this site are tax-exempt nonprofits. That means you have the right to know what they're up to. The same rule applies to the tax-exempt foundations that pay their bills.

As you read through the site, you may be surprised by some of the connections between these groups and individuals, with many forming a web of anti-consumer activism — promoting false science, scare campaigns, inflated public health causes, and sometimes even violent anti-consumer "direct actions."

You may be even more shocked to learn where some of them get their cash:

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has used a private foundation to funnel at least $432,000 to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), another animal rights group. PCRM in turn falsely promotes itself as a mainstream medical charity.
Media mogul Ted Turner does more with his money than pay salaries for the Atlanta Braves. His own foundation lavishes over $40 million per year on anti-consumer activist groups, including those who advocate confrontation with police.
The Ben and Jerry's Foundation has given $10,000 to Mothers for Natural Law, a radical anti-food-technology group operated by disciples of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, a Minnesota-based activist group, has accepted a $75,000 grant from the Foundation for Deep Ecology for -- and we quote -- "a campaign to end industrial agriculture."
The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) repeatedly attacks groups for accepting industry funding to conduct research. But CSPI itself took $50,000 from the Helena Rubenstein Foundation to fund an attack campaign against the fat substitute Olestra.
How do they get away with it? And how do they dupe foundations into handing over the loot?

Sometimes the foundations aren't to blame. Grant requests may be sufficiently vague to convince donors to pay for politicized polemics under the guise of "research." But many times the foundations are not what you would expect them to be.

Though they carry names like "Ford," "Hewlett," or "Pew," in reality most of them are no longer controlled by the businesses and families that created them. Well-paid social engineers have since taken the reins. They have their own political agendas, and often direct big bucks to their friends in the activist world.

Sometimes foundation money flows through its initial recipients, and on to others. The Pew Charitable Trusts (money from the Sun Oil Company) and the David and Lucille Packard Foundation (Hewlett-Packard wealth) are just two of the financers of the shadowy Tides Foundation -- which in turn funds many of the organizations tracked on this site, preserving the anonymity of the original donors.

Another big reason activist groups are able to take the money and run: Nobody's been watching them and providing this level of research. Until now.

There is a saying....."Follow the money...."
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Old 03-20-2011, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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At ActivistCash.com, they follow the money -- for you.

The site, created by the Center for Consumer Freedom, is committed to providing detailed and up-to-date information about the funding sources of organizations and activists, whether respectable or radical. They have analyzed over 500,000 pages of IRS documents to create this database, and new information is added every month.

There is a saying....."Follow the money...."
OK, we'll follow the money. Who or what funds the Center for Consumer Freedom?
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Old 03-20-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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THAT information was also conspicuously missing from that website......

or maybe i just missed it as i glanced around......
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Old 03-21-2011, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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I have family who sends me what they'd consider fact-based websites about how Obama is a Muslim, Kenyan socialist -- "facts" on the internet are a funny thing.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:34 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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OK, we'll follow the money. Who or what funds the Center for Consumer Freedom?
Better yet - look who registers activistcash.com

Registrant:
Center for Consumer Freedom
1775 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Suite 1200
Washington, DC 20006
US

Domain Name: ACTIVISTCASH.COM

As for the question about Consumer Freedom ....
Center for Consumer Freedom - SourceWatch

And to be fair, in this battle of the extremists, here is who controls sourcewatch

Center for Media and Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just curious. What ever happened to people thinking for themselves and when did this huge vacuum of intelligence open up that any nut case with a website or blog can fill with whatever "facts' they can create or manipulate?

"Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see."
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:25 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Better yet - look who registers activistcash.com

Registrant:
Center for Consumer Freedom
1775 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Suite 1200
Washington, DC 20006
US

Domain Name: ACTIVISTCASH.COM

As for the question about Consumer Freedom ....
Center for Consumer Freedom - SourceWatch

And to be fair, in this battle of the extremists, here is who controls sourcewatch

Center for Media and Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just curious. What ever happened to people thinking for themselves and when did this huge vacuum of intelligence open up that any nut case with a website or blog can fill with whatever "facts' they can create or manipulate?

"Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see."
interesting.....

thanks for the research!
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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I have family who sends me what they'd consider fact-based websites about how Obama is a Muslim, Kenyan socialist -- "facts" on the internet are a funny thing.
You comment brings to mind the saying "A lie repeated often enough can become truth."
Seems as though it does on the interwebz.
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