03-15-2011, 10:24 AM
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jifwittle
The whole point of this bill is to protect and prevent those from suffering. If nobody is claiming a right to neglect or abuse, then why oppose the bill?
HSUS' goal is to STOP animal farming, hunting, pet owning, breeding etc
They've admitted it, and they've done so in California and Florida (there's more states but I don't know them off the top of my head)
Free-range chickens in califronia
extreme regulations of pigs in Florida per farmer
they want to cut off farmers' paychecks, farmers can't make money off of 20 pigs or 50 chickens
03-15-2011, 10:37 AM
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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SW Missouri Dave
.........
......... The Missouri Congress is telling Missourian's 'they' know better than the people they represent. Please think about that for a minute. The majority in the state Congress may agree with you today, because you think this law is stupid, but are you willing to hand them a blank check to overturn anything the populace has voted for? You may say yes because you are in agreement with their move today - but what about tomorrow? The Missouri legislature is today controlled by Republicans, but will they always hold control? Maybe the Democrats will regain control someday and decide Missourian's were not smart enough to know that carrying around hand guns is dangerous to their health. By surrendering to your party of choice a precious right, you set an incredibly dangerous precedent for the other party.
I am totally bewildered why Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians, or Free Thinkers are not raising bloody Cain about why some of Missouri's elected officials think they know better than the people. If we allow them to get away with this, then we allow them to prove they truly are smarter than us.
Then again, I guess there are more important things to argue about on this thread. Like who is truly the worst - a PETA volunteer just trying to do what they think is best - or a dog breeder who is trying to pay some bills and feed the family!
Again, welcome to the forum MoBorn. Like your biggest fan Southward Bound has said - I wouldn't change a word. I mean, what would be the fun in that!!!
prop b is not the first time our esteemed legislators have decided that they know better than we do what is good for us and our state..... and i am sure it will not be the last if we allow it to continue.....
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Kings Ranger
HSUS' goal is to STOP animal farming, hunting, pet owning, breeding etc
REALLY??? please... show me where in prop b ANY farm animals are discussed.... i have read it numerous times and have not seen one single mention of cows or pigs or sheep or goats or chickens or geese or ducks or mules or emus or horses or ostriches or buffalo or any other animal besides dogs used in mass breeding facilities....
i know my eyes ain't what they used to be and i have to use cheaters more often than not these days, so if i DID miss any of those things, by all means, point them out to me.....
03-15-2011, 03:47 PM
Location: S.E. US
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latetotheparty
prop b is not the first time our esteemed legislators have decided that they know better than we do what is good for us and our state..... and i am sure it will not be the last if we allow it to continue.....
Regulations are written so as to allow for broadening the application. Do you not recall how the contentious healthcare bill was drafted so that the verbiage would allow for expansion of its reach once it was passed?
Do you really believe that a regulation is limited to only what is written in black and white?
03-15-2011, 04:39 PM
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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with the ruckus and panic raised over regulating puppy mills, can you IMAGINE what it would be like if the powers that be even ATTEMPTED to expand prop b's coverage to include farm livestock??
the cafo's would never stand for it.....
and what makes these legislators think they know better than the voters??
as can be CLEARLY seen in the video posted above, that senator had NO IDEA what prop b actually covered...... and he SPONSORED the repeal bill.....
03-16-2011, 05:33 AM
Location: S.E. US
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latetotheparty
with the ruckus and panic raised over regulating puppy mills, can you IMAGINE what it would be like if the powers that be even ATTEMPTED to expand prop b's coverage to include farm livestock??
the cafo's would never stand for it.....
and what makes these legislators think they know better than the voters??
as can be CLEARLY seen in the video posted above, that senator had NO IDEA what prop b actually covered...... and he SPONSORED the repeal bill.....
Legislators always think they know better.
03-16-2011, 08:17 AM
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latetotheparty
with the ruckus and panic raised over regulating puppy mills, can you IMAGINE what it would be like if the powers that be even ATTEMPTED to expand prop b's coverage to include farm livestock??
the cafo's would never stand for it.....
and what makes these legislators think they know better than the voters??
as can be CLEARLY seen in the video posted above, that senator had NO IDEA what prop b actually covered...... and he SPONSORED the repeal bill.....
I think the farmers were afraid that this bill would be expanded to govern them. That kept coming up in opposition prior to the vote.
It's too bad that the republicans think they were put in office to change laws passed by voters...
03-16-2011, 09:49 PM
Location: The Formerly Golden State-up to our tookas in debt
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03-17-2011, 02:14 PM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Kings Ranger
HSUS' goal is to STOP animal farming, hunting, pet owning, breeding etcThey've admitted it, and they've done so in California and Florida (there's more states but I don't know them off the top of my head)
Nobody has stopped anything of the sort in Florida, care to share the source of your info?
03-17-2011, 04:50 PM
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Nobody has stopped anything of the sort in Florida, care to share the source of your info?
He's confusing the Humane Society with PETA.
There's a big difference between Animal Rights people and those who are concerned with animal welfare.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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