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They could have done a much better story. The Star Wars universe is much bigger than just the movies with planet destroying super weapons. The first Death Star was awesom.... Now they're just yet another Death Star.
TFA wasn't a reboot, it was a rehash of things already done. In the infinit Star Wars universe they stick with a narrow window of stuff. Knights of the Old Republic (older video game) had an amazing story. A Star Forge with the Rebels (they're not rebels, they're the new republic. Another shameless grab at the past. If after 30 years of military dominance you're still operating in ruins you're doing something wrong) getting demolished at the end of the movie would have been a much more proper twist with a new storyline. The First Order are supposed to be a breakout group, how come they wield so much power from the start? The New Republic has been on a tear crushing ex-empire forces, sure doesn't seem that way.
Ultimately I think it was a lack of leadership. For this I'd point at J.J. Abrams. A director has a couple hits and then they're omnipotent. While the first Star Trek was awesome, the last one sucked. TFA doesn't show much effort. It was put on cruise control.
TPM is sub-par for other reasons, like bad writing, wooden acting, Jar Jar, and showing us something we should have never been shown: Darth Vader as a li'l squirt.
One concept Luca$ is woefully unfamiliar with is ambiguity. Sometimes you're better off not knowing.
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A New Hope was nuanced, not so complex. The Phantom Menace was complex, especially for a first episode. It wasn't exactly a straight forward movie, especially being over a trade dispute. Politics existed in A New Hope but not out in the open.
Sorry, but implying TPM is a more complex film doesn't hold water because Luca$ openly admits he wrote the prequels with kids in mind, not adults. It's no more complex than any other entry in either trilogy, or the new film. Maybe it could have used some complexity. Then it wouldn't have been so dull, minus the saber clash.
Just a quick FYI: what you're doing is disagreeing, not refuting.
Some of the claims were easily caught the first time around if you paid attention so they are refuted rather than disagreement. It wasn't some The Matrix or Marvel detail that you need to research 20 times to find the reference.
They could have done a much better story. The Star Wars universe is much bigger than just the movies with planet destroying super weapons. The first Death Star was awesom.... Now they're just yet another Death Star.
TFA wasn't a reboot, it was a rehash of things already done. In the infinit Star Wars universe they stick with a narrow window of stuff. Knights of the Old Republic (older video game) had an amazing story. A Star Forge with the Rebels (they're not rebels, they're the new republic. Another shameless grab at the past. If after 30 years of military dominance you're still operating in ruins you're doing something wrong) getting demolished at the end of the movie would have been a much more proper twist with a new storyline. The First Order are supposed to be a breakout group, how come they wield so much power from the start? The New Republic has been on a tear crushing ex-empire forces, sure doesn't seem that way.
Ultimately I think it was a lack of leadership. For this I'd point at J.J. Abrams. A director has a couple hits and then they're omnipotent. While the first Star Trek was awesome, the last one sucked. TFA doesn't show much effort. It was put on cruise control.
He's not coming back to do Eps 8 which is telling. Anyone who's a real artist won't pull a con-job for long or get his name will get discredited by fans of his work. He almost turned down this movie as he must have resented the script. From someone who has created Heroes, it must be awkward to direct these mindless Scifi movies like Star Trek and Star Wars to ensure the movie is watchable by the critical mass. In Heroes he crafted each char to ensure none of them are illogically over-powering. I much rather they delay Rey's power showing than just made it obvious. Luke in Episode 4 is not even comparable, Obiwan handled Vadar instead of Luke.
You know, a 10 year old, a chimpanzee or Jesus Christ himself could have written Star Wars and the result would have been the same... lots of people love it, even more hate it while EVEERYONE psychoanalyzes it to death and whoever distributes it mkes a crap-ton of money.
He's not coming back to do Eps 8 which is telling. Anyone who's a real artist won't pull a con-job for long or get his name will get discredited by fans of his work. He almost turned down this movie as he must have resented the script. From someone who has created Heroes, it must be awkward to direct these mindless Scifi movies like Star Trek and Star Wars to ensure the movie is watchable by the critical mass. In Heroes he crafted each char to ensure none of them are illogically over-powering. I much rather they delay Rey's power showing than just made it obvious. Luke in Episode 4 is not even comparable, Obiwan handled Vadar instead of Luke.
Lucas didn't direct V and VI. He still had his hand in it by writing the movies. J.J. will keep his toes in by Executive Producing VIII and IX. He is just handing off to other directors like Lucas did with the originals. That worked incredibly in Empire and I hope happens again here.
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You know, a 10 year old, a chimpanzee or Jesus Christ himself could have written Star Wars and the result would have been the same... lots of people love it, even more hate it while EVEERYONE psychoanalyzes it to death and whoever distributes it mkes a crap-ton of money.
Where is the hate on it? If anything I've heard people letdown but giving it 4.somethig out of 5.
I just re-watched "Revenge of the Sith." At the end when we see Darth Vader and the emperor at the bridge of a star destroyer, do we not see a very brief cameo Moff Tarkin turn away from them and walk away to the left?
I just re-watched "Revenge of the Sith." At the end when we see Darth Vader and the emperor at the bridge of a star destroyer, do we not see a very brief cameo Moff Tarkin turn away from them and walk away to the left?
Tell that to the critics and fans that have given it 95% and 92% on rotten tomatoes respectively. Is it prefect, No but my 5-stars for it isn't exactly off base... I don't think it will drop past 85% on fan rating when all is said and done. Mind you Man of Steel which also is similar film when it comes to criticism (though more vocal due to the destruction and the Superman kills controversy) is a 56% critic rating and a 74% fan rating on rt.
Rotten Tomatoes isn't that great a source for this type of dicscussion because it is a rating of Thumps Up or Down as Sisko and Ebert did. It is no measure of a solid C film by everyone versus an A film with dissenters because they tried something and some said no don't go.
Haven seen the original and none of the prequels but recently seeing Creed. I saw the homage just as Creed took the beats from Rocky and updating them with a younger set of characters and I think Creed did it much better than Star Wars The Force Awakens. Desert plant, ice plant, forest plant. All these years later with the Apocalypse Now version of a storm troopers attack made them seem more real and dangerous then the first films and their mechanical elephants
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Politics existed in A New Hope but not out in the open.
