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Old 05-23-2011, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Yes. Just recently, we can thank voter fraud for Senator Franken.
Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds - FoxNews.com
Having a photo id requirement would not have changed this situation. If I understand this case correctly. The felons were incorrectly on the list of valid voters and voted under their own names. Having a photo id confirming their identity would not have prevented them from voting.

"What we did this time is irrefutable," McGrath said. "We took the voting lists and matched them with conviction lists and then went back to the records and found the roster lists, where voters sign in before walking to the voting booth, and matched them by hand.
Read more: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds - FoxNews.com
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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If they can afford a fake ID they sure as hell can afford a real one.
What is your point?

The issue I raised is whether or not photo IDs actually would prevent voter fraud, particularly from an organized effort. Isn't that the point of photo IDs; preventing people from voting under an assumed identity.
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:51 PM
 
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What is your point?

The issue I raised is whether or not photo IDs actually would prevent voter fraud, particularly from an organized effort. Isn't that the point of photo IDs; preventing people from voting under an assumed identity.
Photo Id from where, the video store, Costco or the a State ID card? It will make a difference.
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Old 05-23-2011, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Photo Id from where, the video store, Costco or the a State ID card? It will make a difference.
Read the linked article. Faking state photo IDs are not that difficult. A group intent on providing fake IDs for the purpose of committing voter fraud could do it relatively cheaply.

Underage, and ready to rage: How the under-21 crowd is infiltrating Bellingham

The fake license features an address of his choice, a fake birthday, his photo and all the credentials of an authentic ID card including watermarks only detected by the black light, he said.
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Old 05-23-2011, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What is your point?

The issue I raised is whether or not photo IDs actually would prevent voter fraud, particularly from an organized effort. Isn't that the point of photo IDs; preventing people from voting under an assumed identity.
It cannot prevent 100% but it can sure put a big dent in it.
If you don't match the picture on your ID that's one less fraudulent vote.

One person, one vote.
A picture ID might have prevented this woman from registering 6 times.

To quote the libs..."If you're not doing anything wrong than what's the big deal?"


"The other registrations included one of a woman who registered six times in the same day; registrations of non-citizens; so many applications from one Houston Voters collector in one day that it was deemed to be beyond human capability; and 1,597 registrations that named the same person multiple times, often with different signatures."
Read more: Citizens' Group Helps Uncover Alleged Rampant Voter Fraud in Houston - FoxNews.com

Harris County is now investigating it:
Harris County Registrar investigates voter registration irregularities | khou.com Houston
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Old 05-23-2011, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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...and an official stamp by a notary public
Good lord! How hard do you want to make this? Not required in CO and we have NO history of voter fraud.
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Old 05-23-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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Read the linked article. Faking state photo IDs are not that difficult. A group intent on providing fake IDs for the purpose of committing voter fraud could do it relatively cheaply.

Underage, and ready to rage: How the under-21 crowd is infiltrating Bellingham

The fake license features an address of his choice, a fake birthday, his photo and all the credentials of an authentic ID card including watermarks only detected by the black light, he said.
I wonder why you all are making this so hard? Something that is free should not be a problem. I don't want to hear "well they don't drive", well how in the heck are they getting to the voting place?

As for write in votes....I guess it would just have to be up to the integrity of people at that point....or just pull it completely...
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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It cannot prevent 100% but it can sure put a big dent in it.
If you don't match the picture on your ID that's one less fraudulent vote.

One person, one vote.
A picture ID might have prevented this woman from registering 6 times.

To quote the libs..."If you're not doing anything wrong than what's the big deal?"


"The other registrations included one of a woman who registered six times in the same day; registrations of non-citizens; so many applications from one Houston Voters collector in one day that it was deemed to be beyond human capability; and 1,597 registrations that named the same person multiple times, often with different signatures."
Read more: Citizens' Group Helps Uncover Alleged Rampant Voter Fraud in Houston - FoxNews.com

Harris County is now investigating it:
Harris County Registrar investigates voter registration irregularities | khou.com Houston
Registering and voting are 2 separate events. If you can get an invalid voter registered, what would stop you from providing that voter with a fake photo ID?
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Registering and voting are 2 separate events. If you can get an invalid voter registered, what would stop you from providing that voter with a fake photo ID?
It's better than what we have today..walking in and signing a name.
Are you for or against trying to do what it takes to prevent fraudulent voting ?

Making a mountain out of a molehill. People have IDs. Let them show the ID when they vote.
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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I wonder why you all are making this so hard? Something that is free should not be a problem. I don't want to hear "well they don't drive", well how in the heck are they getting to the voting place?

As for write in votes....I guess it would just have to be up to the integrity of people at that point....or just pull it completely...
The voting place can be in the building they live in, or some place they can walk to, or bused to the polling place. I know several people that no longer drive. I know people who have never driven.

As to why I'm making this so hard, I'm against adding extra obstacles which will most likely just disenfranchise certain segments of the population for no practical purpose. Photo IDs will not prevent organized efforts of voter fraud.
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