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I actually talked about this with a very prominent tax attorney here in CA and they think IRS knows and chooses NOT TO PROSECUTE or pursue this.
Lots of non-citizens do this as well.
If you have neighborhoods all on the dole and not making any non-gray area money, how do they get away with a 5-7 thousand dollar tax return?
Welcome to the socialist republic of California.
For the sake of argument, I'll accept your premise ("Some dude told me... blah blah") But think about it. If the IRS knows a certain amount of petty fraud is occurring, and chooses not to pursue it, it is because A) They know it's chump change, and B) They lack sufficient resources to make it worth our while to chase the money down.
Besides, just how much fraud by poor people in this country do you think it would take to come close to matching the tax money stolen by the rich, with all their lawyer-asssted dodges, exemptions, incentives, and "breaks"? "White collar" crime by the well-off FAR outstrips the petty theivery of the underclass in this country- always has, always will.
Cheap attempt at setting up a really lame strawman. In really poor taste, too.
I disagree.
You are insisting that every person is responsible, fully responsible for their lives and what happens to them. I pointed out that things happen to people for which they aren't responsible.
And if you're offended by the rape situation, then too bad. Because there have been numerous threads on this forum about how it's the rape victims fault, or how they contributed to what happened to them.
And that argument is just as valid as your argument that poor people are to blame for being poor. Which IS the argument that you're making. As well as then calling the impoverished, parasites, something I didn't think was in very good taste.
If poor people should be exempt from voting on the premise they don't contribute then they should be exempt from the military draft also.
Don't stop there, lionking. They should be exempt from following any laws whatsoever. Forcing people to obey laws enacted by people they didn't get a chance to vote for is un-American.
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy." - Elmer T. Peterson paraphrasing Alexis de Tocqueville in the December 9th, 1951 edition of The Daily Oklahoman
Alexis de Tocqueville recognized the problem nearly two centuries ago. We're seeing it play out now.
Good for them, but as of now, 51% pay NO federal income tax whatsoever.
So? Do they pay Social Security taxes? Why, yes, they do.
Do they pay sales taxes? Why yes, they do.
Do they pay taxes on gasoline? Why yes, they do.
Do they pay state income taxes? Why yes, they do.
Sounds like they contribute to society to me.
And your neighbor's college-age kid who's got all that initiative? Do his parents take him off their taxes? Why yes, they do.
And he pays all his bills? What bills would those be? Dog-walking pays his college tuition? He has a house, a mortgage, utility bills? He pays for all his own food? Does his own laundry, pays for his car, owns several mowers and tons of landscaping equipment?
Or does he have student loans? Does he get assistance from his parents? Just how much does he contribute, and just how much has been contributed to him?
Who is this person? I've never heard of him before. It seems a bit disingenuous to use some off the wall comments from some unknown person and declare this some how is proof of the thoughts for half the nation. Don't you think?
I never heard of him either.
But, in a Democracy, I think we are all obliged to keep our eyes out for radical positions from ANY ideological camp that might endanger our rights. Just scanning the posts in this thread, I'd say this columnist isn't alone in his beliefs. In fact, he's giving voice to what is really at the heart of a national movement.
Here is a link to an article that describes the voter suppression movement sweeping the Red State capital houses. I don't know if it constitutes "half the nation", but I bet it's pretty close!
Don't stop there, lionking. They should be exempt from following any laws whatsoever. Forcing people to obey laws enacted by people they didn't get a chance to vote for is un-American.
I know I am going to get called a Democratic leftist supporting welfare babies on this thread by questioning the topic but I don't even nor will I ever (probably) vote for the democrats.
This in my mind is not just about taxes but the soul of a nation based on liberty and everyone has a stake in it.
I partly agree. NO REPRESENATION WITHOUT TAXATION. You should not be entitled to vote for services you don't pay for.
There is no constitutional right to vote.
More like; you shouldn't be able to vote on issues such as increased entitlements and expanding social services programs. If you are a lifetime beneficiary of those services then your vote is obviously a conflict of public interest. It's one thing to be on welfare as a bridge to better times and quite another to raise generations of welfare recipients. I know families that are raised to get on every entitlement program available. They know the system inside out and abuse it like crazy.
Can you feel the money, that you worked hard for, being sucked out of your wallet?
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