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But what if the standards are too low? I have yet to meet a cop that can shoot with me. The few who are fairly proficient didn't get that way from their training.
I can't speak for every department, but from what I've seen/heard about NYPD, they are at the range A LOT, the only training regimen I've heard of that might surpass theirs is LAPD. This is what I've heard/been told. I've got no personal experience with their training programs so keep that in mind.
Somebody did a study a few years back, and found that the police have a 34% accuracy rating when discharging their firearms. And these are people supposedly trained in how to do it. Yeah, right..
Bingo........ You dont see a lot of cops competing in shoots. I have a close friend she was with the NYPD ESU. Of all the cops I have shot with she is the best. She tells me the target is center mass, but group size is not a disqualifier. It should be because group size would determine the shooters skill and control of the weapon.
I can't speak for every department, but from what I've seen/heard about NYPD, they are at the range A LOT, the only training regimen I've heard of that might surpass theirs is LAPD. This is what I've heard/been told. I've got no personal experience with their training programs so keep that in mind.
NYPD has an excellent training range. Not all cops use it for more than requalifying. The ESU crew are damned good. The average street cop not so much. This is told to me by a retired ESU cop..... There is a reason average cops call the ESU and that is because the ESU is actually well trained.
I am sure you realize that your opinion doesn't impress me either. The fact remains and correct me if I am wrong there are far too many stories with video to back it up of cops emptying their weapons at targets less than 10 meters away. The hit miss ratio would hardly qualify them as experts or proficient.
I wasn't bragging in any way shape or form. I am a combat vet and obviously better trained than the average local cop. What eludes me is that someone who may need to rely on their side arm practices so little.
A few years back 5 cops in Luzerne county Pa confronted a lunatic with a chainsaw. Over 60 rounds were fired scoring 13 confirmed hits.... Less than 1 in 4 bullets hit their target. The distance was 10 feet or 3.3 yards. All of these cops qualified and one of them was a state trooper.
There's a BIG difference between shooting at paper targets, and actual moving targets that may be actively trying to kill you. internet commandoes can shoot at bowling pins all day, wake me when those pins seek cover and start shooting back. There's also a big difference between a firefight in a war zone and shoot out on a city street in America, I'm sure you know that.
I am sure you realize that your opinion doesn't impress me either. The fact remains and correct me if I am wrong there are far too many stories with video to back it up of cops emptying their weapons at targets less than 10 meters away. The hit miss ratio would hardly qualify them as experts or proficient.
To say they emptied their guns, hence they missed most times is a leap one simply can not make.
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I wasn't bragging in any way shape or form. I am a combat vet and obviously better trained than the average local cop. What eludes me is that someone who may need to rely on their side arm practices so little.
A few years back 5 cops in Luzerne county Pa confronted a lunatic with a chainsaw. Over 60 rounds were fired scoring 13 confirmed hits.... Less than 1 in 4 bullets hit their target. The distance was 10 feet or 3.3 yards. All of these cops qualified and one of them was a state trooper.
With your expertise you should also know that shooting at a target is not the same as shooting at a live person firing back.
NYPD has an excellent training range. Not all cops use it for more than requalifying. The ESU crew are damned good. The average street cop not so much. This is told to me by a retired ESU cop..... There is a reason average cops call the ESU and that is because the ESU is actually well trained.
That's a case by case basis, most LE shootings don't involve ESU/SWAT. Which range are you talking about? the one up there by Pelham Bay Park?(I'm from NY) A buddy of mine was an instructor there, from what I've heard from him, it's way beyond what most departments run their guys through. this was a few years ago though, no idea if things have changed.
There's a BIG difference between shooting at paper targets, and actual moving targets that may be actively trying to kill you. internet commandoes can shoot at bowling pins all day, wake me when those pins seek cover and start shooting back. There's also a big difference between a firefight in a war zone and shoot out on a city street in America, I'm sure you know that.
Wounded in combat on 3 seperate occasions. I get the paper target analogy. The point is if you cant hit the bowling pins or group on paper how will you do it in battle? The cops I have shot with often need to look for the safety or magazine release because they are so unfamiliar with their weapons. If a cop cant shoot a 4 inch group on paper at 25 meters or 15 for that matter do we want that cop in a situation like the Empire State building shoot? I shoot 2.5 inch groups all day everyday. I also shoot a lot to maintain what I learned when I served.
What is the difference between a house to house firefight and a shootout on a city street? Ask cops clearing a house is about as dangerous as it gets.
Somebody did a study a few years back, and found that the police have a 34% accuracy rating when discharging their firearms. And these are people supposedly trained in how to do it. Yeah, right..
How well would you or your average Joe Blow fare when someone is shooting back? Far better, right?
That's a case by case basis, most LE shootings don't involve ESU/SWAT. Which range are you talking about? the one up there by Pelham Bay Park?(I'm from NY) A buddy of mine was an instructor there, from what I've heard from him, it's way beyond what most departments run their guys through. this was a few years ago though, no idea if things have changed.
Rodmans Neck comes to mind but I would have to ask Susan the actual name. As I said the NYPD has an outstanding range according to my friend and a few guys I know who have done some shoots out there. I remember her mentioning it was in the Bronx and I was surprised. I never expected a range to be there.
How well would you or your average Joe Blow fare when someone is shooting back? Far better, right?
LOL hardly. Most average joe's shoot even less than cops. They buy a gun shoot it a few times and hide in their night stand just in case. Then you have the John waynes who carry everywhere they go but never seem to be able to find the shooting range.
Honest to god I have a CCW but use it only when transporting my weapon off my property. I almost never carry a gun.
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