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Old 12-21-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Well interesting points. I would however suggest we execute the criminals swiftly and without mercy. While it may not deter all criminals it will deter some. The others will be weeded out along with their blood lines. If your found guilty and the case is clear then your executed the next day.
The justice system is not flawless though. Swift and merciless executions sound good, like justice has been served but sometimes innocent people get convicted. The spilling of more blood will never end the cycle of violence.

Counties with no death penalty, particularly Scandinavian nations, have much lower crime rates than the U.S. We execute more criminals than anyone else on Earth save "police" states and totalitarian regimes yet our crime rates exceed almost every other nation in the developed world.

 
Old 12-21-2013, 08:56 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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What do you have to say about this?


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Old 12-21-2013, 09:00 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Its nice this issue can be talked about without racism being screamed, after all the facts speak for themselves. …still the left would rather use these murders to try and ban guns rather than do something more useful like decriminalizing drugs and ending the drug war or addressing the issues related to black or ghetto culture and its predisposition towards violence.

They simply will not confront this issue directly ever. Thank goodness for internet media and forums.

Interesting since you mentioned this, please explain to me why the teaparty is all for smaller government and guns and such but are very silent on cannibus legalization, birth control and reproductive right for women? Are'nt these part of "smaller government and freedom for the American people"?
 
Old 12-21-2013, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Interesting since you mentioned this, please explain to me why the teaparty is all for smaller government and guns and such but are very silent on cannibus legalization, birth control and reproductive right for women? Are'nt these part of "smaller government and freedom for the American people"?
While the original Tea party movement had a strong libertarian direction that was hijacked long ago.
 
Old 12-21-2013, 09:53 PM
 
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Negative reinforcement doesn't work most of the time for most people. For some people it does but not everyone. Tough laws have some effect...but they're not 100%. We need to somehow find a way to reach some of these kids who live in gang infested areas and try and offer them positive incentives to shun violence and gangbanging. A lot of these kids who become gangsters were born into nothing, live in nothing, and feel like they are headed for nothing so that breeds a "what do I have to lose?" mentality. There's no fear of prison or death because honestly I work in the corrections system and talked to some of the offenders about their lives. Death or prison look better than what they had before so they figure they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

We need to find a way to offer alternatives so they feel they have options. Get them invested in their future and they suddenly have something to lose by taking the criminal path. People with something to lose are more law abiding generally.
The fear of consequences definitely worked on me as a kid. I knew what I would lose being locked up. I also have my father to thank as well. He instilled in me how important it was that I get a good education. Many people don't have that.

The big question is indeed how to get to the kids who have nothing to lose.

It is interesting how you mentioned prison. Some people view prison as "I get three meals and a bed for free". Some view the death penalty as "I don't expect to live past 30 anyway". In fact, there were gang members in Milwaukee who were asked "where do you see yourself at 30"? Some gang members just laughed. It was like said persons expected to be dead by age 30. Anyone with that kind of mentality isn't going to be deterred by the law.

A big part of curbing gang problems started with the home. However, there are kids born into broken homes. The question is this. What kind of positive re-enforcement will help people stay away from gangs? Or is the solution there, and maybe many of the persons who need to be made aware of this aren't being informed.
 
Old 12-21-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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Exactly. A murder is a murder no matter who was involved. By ceding the inner cities to criminals we're losing a lot property to thugs. If we could eradicate the crime and find a way to lift the blighted areas we could reclaim a lot of land. It's a shame because large cities offer the most amenities and things to do and it's horrible we write off these areas as "worthless" when they aren't. A lot of businesses could grow in those areas and with them comes jobs and money. Right now inner cities are feeling self defeating cycles of poverty and crime when they could be feeling self empowering cycles of jobs and growth.
One could see it as "lost property". However, with businesses moving out to suburban areas, there are many who don't see it as "lost property", but as "A place I would never go to". The reality is, many people really don't care about the people who live in the inner cities. I am a firm believer of "you do the crime, you do the time". However, I also feel that there needs to be a certain context kept on this. I notice the one time there is expressed concern is when the goal is gentrification. No one really thinks about that unless there is gentrification involved.

Many people write the areas off as "worthless" because of the idea of "I can go somewhere else". No one really thinks about crime unless they have to live or work near it. It goes along with the multi-nodal metropolitan area. It's become "instead of commuting from the suburbs to the city, let's commute from one suburb to another". I live in the Atlanta area. Right now, the Atlanta Braves are slated to move into the suburbs(Cobb County). I looked on facebook and there were people that I personally knew cheering this on. There were people who viewed it as "Well, I don't have to go into Atlanta city and deal with some beggar". Alot of people only care if it personally relates to them.
 
Old 12-21-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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Whats your point? White men commit most rapes and molestations. Black men murder. Hispanics steal the most cars. What's your point?

Scientifically, race doesn't exist. Stop trying to divide people. Should the people that don't do crimes be put in the same bag as people who do? Seriously, stop race baiting it isn't 1967.
 
Old 12-21-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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Todays racial minorities are tomorrow's majority. Get used to more hate crimes against whites by blacks,hispanics, and asians.
 
Old 12-21-2013, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Todays racial minorities are tomorrow's majority. Get used to more hate crimes against whites by blacks,hispanics, and asians.
Karma's a beech. Hope that Filipina wife of mine don't shoot me in my sleep.
 
Old 12-21-2013, 11:46 PM
 
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Yes.Sleep with one eye open.
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