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Old 11-13-2013, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Hollywood, CA
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ill cede the white conservative talking point that the reason why many of these young blacks are going around killing each other is because of the breakdown of the family. that is a fair and reasonable point.

the problem is when i throw back rising crime rates among whites and illegitamcy rates rising among whites, white conservatives dismiss that, oh, no, you made it up, blah blah blah.

the truth is 30 percent of white kids dont have a dad, which imo is a bigger problem then 73 percent of black kids not having a dad.

whites, specifically white conservatives want to dismiss those numbers though.
And I've been to lower class White communities, they have the same issues of domestic abuse, drug use, and crime like lower class Black communities. The only difference is there is less gang type of problems.

I'll say another problem is glamorization of violence influenced by Hip Hop. Young Black males think it's cool to act and all hard and be a thug rather than pay attention in school and get an education for himself. There's this perception in the Ghetto community is that speaking in a educated manner or acting educated makes you "Sound White".

 
Old 11-13-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: USA
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This is about the USA, let's stay on topic, reading comprehension is a must.
EPIC FAIL !!!
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i wasn't the one pushing the goalpost over to russia- that was you.
Are you trying to associate crime with race or no? Is that not the topic being discussed?
 
Old 11-13-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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Sure you can find a sick serial killer among any race , how about this one Grim Sleeper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He got away for years because like his victims he was AA and the police didn't delve as far as they should have, but then again that's a topic for another thread.

It's amazing that this went on for that many years in a big city like Los Angeles.
What about this one: Wichita Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Black men committing murders in Wichita,KS. They didn't get away with their crimes. They are either on death row or have already been executed. The BTK Killer didn't get the death penalty. He got life in prison, and if he even lives that long(which isn't likely), he could get out in 2180. The two Black men who committed murders are either going to die by death penalty, or have been executed.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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And I've been to lower class White communities, they have the same issues of domestic abuse, drug use, and crime like lower class Black communities. The only difference is there is less gang type of problems.

I'll say another problem is glamorization of violence influenced by Hip Hop. Young Black males think it's cool to act and all hard and be a thug rather than pay attention in school and get an education for himself. There's this perception in the Ghetto community is that speaking in a educated manner or acting educated makes you "Sound White".
Again, read this: http://www.city-data.com/forum/32159141-post692.html


I would read the part about young Black men internalizing the messages and expectations set by pop culture.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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What a joke, you have to go back over a half century+ for deflection ?
That is because the condition of ethnic whites back then more closely resembles the condition of blacks in society right now. They were generally looked down upon, they had high rates of poverty and they saw money to be made from the underground economy created from the prohibition of substances in high demand. In their era it was liquor and in this ere it is different forms of drugs.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 12:41 PM
 
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That is because the condition of ethnic whites back then more closely resembles the condition of blacks in society right now. They were generally looked down upon, they had high rates of poverty and they saw money to be made from the underground economy created from the prohibition of substances in high demand. In their era it was liquor and in this ere it is different forms of drugs.
Glad you caught that. Greatly appreciated.


Was discussing it at work with one of my Italian friends. Have all different kinds of friends.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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ill cede the white conservative talking point that the reason why many of these young blacks are going around killing each other is because of the breakdown of the family. that is a fair and reasonable point.

the problem is when i throw back rising crime rates among whites and illegitamcy rates rising among whites, white conservatives dismiss that, oh, no, you made it up, blah blah blah.
The problem is you're making this up. Show proof that white conservatives dismiss what you said.

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the truth is 30 percent of white kids dont have a dad, which imo is a bigger problem then 73 percent of black kids not having a dad.
This isn't the truth by any stretch of the imagination. If the numbers are correct, since when is a 30 percent number worse than a 73 percent number?

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whites, specifically white conservatives want to dismiss those numbers though.
Just another race card player with a collectivist mindset. Which is ironic considering the topic. Why give credence to what you post when you're displaying the same characteristics of those you are complaining about?
 
Old 11-13-2013, 02:14 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Are you trying to associate crime with race or no? Is that not the topic being discussed?
what part of the topic did you not understand?

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Young black males commit 1/2 of the murders in the US
 
Old 11-13-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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If you are to consider that there are between 5500 and 6000 murders that are committed by persons who are Black, that would mean there are about that many Black persons who have committed murder. Divide that by 40 million Blacks. You would have about .00015% of the Black population responsible for half of the murders. By default, there has to be way less than 3% of the American population committing murder.
Me thinks you need to take a course in 8th-grade math. 6000/40M does not make a percentage rate of .00015%. Nice try, but you are wrong by a factor of 100. Not that is relevant, but credibility tends to be shot when presenting an argument using the most basic of math, and not being able to do it correctly.
That fact stands, based on the statistics presented, that the ratios are wildly out of alignment with using a specific measurement criteria. This is a fact, but also merely an observation and without an RCA, only speculation is in order. All the arguments presented here, such as 'conspiracy', such as lack of lawyer funding, biased judges, targeting certain areas, etc. are just that... pure speculation. If someone is looking for a solution to a problem, they must find the root cause. If someone is just looking to see if the likelihood a problem will occur, a simple blind experiment is all that is needed(with a large sample size). e
 
Old 11-13-2013, 08:19 PM
 
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Murders are committed all across the board. Also keep in mind that not all black categorized individuals are of African American descent or background. Its not even all AAs. Many times the crimes that are committed are done by those blacks that are of Latin American, Caribbean, Continental African, European, or Middle Eastern, or Arab backgrounds. Its all a matter of semantics.

Overall though WHITES commit the most crimes.

Criminality is not engrained in one race over another. Lots of crime is comitted due to poverty and lack of opportunity. In addition though there are high end crimes thar are comitted as well.

But criminality overall happens across the board.

I don't see why one demographic is wrongly being singled out or pointed out here when all groups commit crimes evenly across the board.
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